alternatives to pleasure motivated suggestions?

[ProfessorPig]

i would like to make a file for myself decreasing my desire for pleasure. my problem is suggestions that work for me are based in the idea that following the suggestion leads to pleasure. anyone have any ideas how to bypass this?

[Jeshi]

The only alternative really is to use negative reinforcement, which isn't as effective or enjoyable. So I guess like "It would cause you pain not to X when the trigger is spoken"

[BeMine]

I'd consider a different approach than just negative reinforcement. In this case, because it's kind of a "backwards" approach, I'd try to aim for teaching a lesson of sorts, about how you're a person who isn't meant for pleasure, that it isn't right for you. Perhaps you'd want an example of someone who was "right" without pleasure, and a suggestion that you should follow their example.

[ParanoidLord]

[joecomp2000]

this could have some interesting effects on weightlifting , bodybuilding or for that matter any other physical training . if you could convince a person that the weight training and the pain in the final lifts was actually pleasure ..that could be productive. granted, you would need to filter out the destructive pain from the constructive pain.. ie building muscle or ripping your shoulder out of it's socket.

but I have to admit ...there is a bit of a masochist in me, and my training ...
" you gotta want it "

[Jeshi]