Mraijuana and Hypnosis

[kaylatgsunshine]

I was wondering how being under the influence of marijuana and similar drugs woud affect going into trance. If you guys don't want to answer, I'll understand

[Jack]

First, trance is an altered state. Second, marijuana puts you into an altered state. So if you were to go into a trance while high from smoking some mj, that would have to be taken into account by the person doing the hypnotizing. They would have to bridge from the trance to your normal state, otherwise the effects would generally only occur whenever you got high. However, that's not saying that it hasn't been known to happen that people are flexible enough to do the bridging themselves, subconsciously or consciously.

[cardigan]

I would think that any mind-altering drug - such as marihuana, alcohol, narcotics, sedatives and so on would lessen one's ability to concentrate - thus reducing one's potential to go into a trance - or at least get an outcome from it.

I would reccommend that you were sober when trancing, if you wanted to control the outcome. I think you would only want to mix "drugs" and hypnosis under strictly controlled circumstances. Otherwise it would remind me a bit too much about "The Manchurian Cadidate" and brainwash.

[sandy82]

[loony28]

[loony28]

[Domineek]

[spudamore]

my uncle is a drug user he has started to go into psychosis and had a hypnosis session while he was on drugs and started to remember false memory implants. now he thinks everybody around him is delusional because they can't remember anything that he has supposedly remembered.

i used to be a drug user espeically pot, my concentration was even more sharp while i was under the influence, could meditate, tantric breathing creating unreal energy bursts through out the body but then with such a high and all the prana ones body is taking in the mind cannot keep up, one can start to flip out and ride on the edge of psychosis this is one of the reason i gave up smoking.
after a year of giving it up i tried it again to see what it was like again. same thing comes around.

so lesson learnt drugs are ok but not with constent mind alteration exercises on top of that.

[BobbyS]

OK, personally drugs = BAD.
The only 'safe' drug I know of is unrefined marijuana/cannabis. A lot of cannabis today is seven times as concentrated and can lead to schizophrenia and psychosis. If you are having trouble with hypnosis, the nxt logical step should not be to try using drugs while listening. Try the subliminal reinforcement file. If you're still desperate at least use something safe like caffeine.

[DaytonaMaster]

The only experience I have had with the use of marijuana and hypnosis was when I hypnotized a friend of mine. He was high at the time, and when he went into trance, he went fully asleep. He was upset with me later because he missed out on his buzz.

[asdf]

Sedative drugs help. Opiates help.

Please be careful.

[joecamel]

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[aeroue]

I get high almost every night before bed, then listen to lucid dream curse.

It has been working though taking a while, but hypnosis really isn't very effective on me, and yes I have tried listening to files whilst sober.

BTW for all your sterotype supporting fools it doesn't make you stupid and only makes you crazy if it's likely you will anyway. I got 2 A and 2 B at A level and im going to do an MA in philosophy after my gap year.

And BobbyS

As Sandy would put in a very long post :P

Don't talk about what you are not aware of.

Firstly weed is not 7 times stronger nor is it concentrated, although you can, I have never in many years of smoking encountered it.
Though some strains are stronger that is only through selective breeding and few people get weed that good.

Also even if it was true what does it matter.

Averagish beer = 4% X 7 = 28%

Is the average vodka at around 40% evil?

Also just because it is stronger doesnt mean you get more messed up, you smoke less...Who drinks their vodka in pints?


Also caffeine = bad, it blatantly can't help trance...surely

[sandy82]

[aeroue]

hehe my cover is blown, i was enjoying my posing as an all around drug junkie :P

However I do agree with what you say, but consider this.

To smoke marijuana, you smoke marijuana.

To get drunk

You get some hops, you get some water, you come up with a way of keeping it at least near air tight preferably with a one way valve you wait a long time.

I don't know for sure but doesn't this suggest that weed came first :)

Your point is moot :P

[Jack]

I don't want to go off on a rant so...

Organize an effective system for teaching responsible drug use and standardization/labeling. Legalize all drugs.

I don't really want to hijack this thread, but: Didn't anyone learn anything from Prohibition?

[sandy82]

[sandy82]

[aeroue]

Thanks,

Although your idea of free drugs i feel would not work in reality, it doesn't sound bad :)

What I feel would work better, is government controlled shops which sell drugs, but in a rationed manner and a cheap price.

They would undercut the dealers so the majority would stop selling.

Of course some people might take advantage use someone elses ration but if your going to be put away for a few years if you do....

That way the dangerous and addictive drugs can be severely rationed so as to prevent addiction and less dangerous ones can be more like tobacco or alcohol.

[Jack]

[sandy82]

[sandy82]

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LOL, aeroue, my fantastic notion was never meant to work. Only to bring up ideas, reasonable or not, and--one hopes--cause people to think about the issues. You have a good knowledge of economics: you can't price a commodity at zero unless you have an inexhaustible supply. How many pages of A1 graph paper to draw those supply and demand curves? :)

I agree with you that the government would have to be heavily involved.

The bottom line, I think, is that relatively soon marijuana will be have to be decriminalized on a broad scale--whether moralizers like it or not. There's a simple reason. Governments can't afford to lock up the marijuana users anymore. The social benefit is almost zero; the monetary cost is huge.

We have a war in Afghanistan, a war in Iraq, the Goddess Shiva pointing fingers in and at Washington and New Orleans, an aging national electric grid, a large number of illegal workers that nobody seems able to find, that good old reliable fund-raiser Ken Lay who is yet to be tried, a White House being investigated for exposing an employee who liked her anonymity, an anthrax mailer is still at large....

With all this, and the rebuilding of houses for about 400,000 people, we're supposed to spend money on additional prison space for people who smoke marijuana?

I don't smoke it, but I can't get excited about people who do.

Perhaps we could solve the whole matter at little or no cost. We can ask Bill Clinton how to smoke the stuff without inhaling. :wink:
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[Jack]

*roflmao* smoking without inhaling...

My jaw dropped when he said that, and then I burst out laughing. Then for about three weeks after that I would still think of it and laugh.

Thanks for reminding me of how 'special' a person he was.


*nods* Living in a state teeming with conservative fundamentalist republican christians.. These things irk me. I agree. No argument or debate, just.. venting. :smile:

[sandy82]

[gork151]

as a lurker in most forums i don't generally add my two -bits but last statement about bill clinton and intelligent design is one of the funniest things i have read in sometime.......lol-- thanks

[Jack]

I agree with gork. You really know how to make people laugh, sandy. It's a sad day when we consider Clinton as being one of the best examples of a president we've had in the past 20 years. Dubya being the worst. Compare them to men like Benjamin Franklin and George Washington and what do we come up with? A joke.

[sandy82]

[aeroue]

If that is true then....(guesstimate)somewhere above 10<?<30% of people have very out-dated brains...

rofl

I suppose it shouldnt be funny but im finding it hilarious...

<shrug>

Wonder what one i have, is it possible to find out?

[sandy82]

[OMGWTFBBQ]

[sandy82]

[joecamel]

since my other post ive tried to achieve trance while on like various drugs to see if any would interect well with being hypnotized.... i never quite have fully achieved trance but i can get closer when just high on weed then when totaly sober.... cocaine makes u want to get into trance real bad and it would be assumed that coke is a drug that would really be hard to get trance on but it probably makes no differance whatsoever..... i tried to achieve trance on dxm (the drug i said in my last post would prob help trance) and my mind really wouldnt lock on to any of the words so i could not get very deep at all.... opiates probably help more then anything eelse since they help u relax..... and lastly when i tried it on 5 hits of acid, some fuckin good sid too... well i was too fucked up to get trance but i doubt sid would really help trance cuz ur too confused on it ..... well ya thats the conclusions i came to about drugs in relation to hypnotism, but everybody reacts to drugs differently so the only way to find out what helps u is to go out and do a shit load of drugs lol but i didint tell u to do that

[Jack]

Try everything. If something works: keep doing it. Drop everything else.

Btw, just like testing your conviction that you can fly from the ground first: do the system for each instance. Don't say "Hey! This botox really helped my skin look younger.. I think I'll inject it in my viens to see if it will make those younger too!"

[goldragon_70]

You know they say flying is just the trick of falling and missing the gound. :P
I wonder if getting munchies in the middle of a trance in the middle of a suggestion, will have a negative effect. 8O :?:

[Jack]

Might anchor whatever's going on to eating whatever the snack is, but that's about it. =)

[goldragon_70]

would be a strange pavalovian response. Hope it has nothing to do with weight loss.

[gpuppy]

I ma not a hypnotist but my voice has all the right stuff. In my younger day I hypnotized someone in Job Corps after they took about 5 hits of LD-25 LSD and for the whole trip he acted like a duck then a tripping onlooker asked me if I though i could do the same thing to anyone on lsd. !0 miniutes later he was sucking his thumb lol.

MDMA makes it very easy to trance as well as meculine. Phsyco reacitve mushrooms (both main phsyco reactive types) make it harder to trance.

9- tetra hydro-canibinol has almost no effect from achieving or failing trance states