Teens and the hypno files

[andy546]

Hello, I am doing an essay on the effects of hypnosis on children and teenagers and I was wondering if a teenager from the ages of 13-17 uses these files, if they can grow personality problems or psychological problems since they're mind is going through puberty, and if so would the Deprogram all file work to stop the psych problems?

[EMG]

[MN_FriendlyGuy]

[Axem_ranger_001]

Dear Andy:

This is a websight geared for adults 18 & up. If someone were to step forth, tell you of their experiances, and admit that they were under the age of 18 I'm fairly sure they would be banned on the spot.
I hope for your sake that you arn't going to try your own experiment on a minor with one of the files here as they arn't ment for a child nor are they advised.
Your question would be better suited in another forum or anonomusly through a private message system.
I can only advise you that you should choose the words in your next post wisely to insure that any MODs and/or Admins spare you their wrath.

Sincerely;
The Infamous Carbide

[pyroid]

[zapnosis]

I'm afraid that I have to disagree with some of the people here - I think that such an experiment would involve considerable risk to the children. Kids are not adults, they don't react in the same way and they have different vulnerabilities. Forget DeprogramAll, it's not about hypnotic suggestions, it is about the experience.

This is something you have to consider all the time with brainwashing - how someone will react to an experience. It's all about context. Kids are often too trusting, or too innocent to know when to trust and when not to. Kids are used to not knowing everything about how the world works, so sometimes they have to rely on responsible adults knowing better. And as they are young, the learning process is still relatively new - every new experience has a deeper and longer-lasting effect than it would for an adult. The effect of the hypnosis might well be the same, but effect of the conditioning is much stronger.

Also it may have escaped your notice that the files on this site are SEXUAL in nature, so encouraging/ allowing children to listen to them would not only be a violation of the T&Cs of this site but may well be a violation under law. If you found out that some guy on your street was showing porn to kids, what would you think?

Honestly, I thought that I was hard to shock, but I cannot believe that someone actually suggested this...

[Starmaster]

MN_FriendlyGuy: I have to say that I am very disappointed by your response. andy546 was not asking how to perform the things he was talking about, but instead seeking information on what the deliterious effects of them were. To use your analogy, he was not saying that he was going to buy alcohol for minors, or even advocating it, but instead wanted to write an essay on the harmful effects of it, and hence wanted to know what they were. Now what is wrong with that? Sure we may all know that murder is wrong, but not all of our laws are so clearly moral (in fact many people do in fact advocate murder in certain circumstances, such as capital punishment, euthanasia, or abortion). No society is perfect, and neither is ours. Ideally any society should strive to become so however, to seek improvement. Before one can improve, one needs to identify the areas for improvement, and in order to do that, people need to be able to talk about the subject in a calm and rational manner, without undue emotion seeking to squash the discussion. I'm sure that at one time (not that long ago in fact) a similar question concerning homosexuals would have elicited a very similar response from most people to that which you posted, however that kind of response hardly contributes to the advancement of rights for homosexuals. If you don't like that example, try instead the rights for women, or people of other races or religions. Please note that I am not necessarily advocating anything here, but instead just the calm, and reasoned discourse between people on any topic. The moment any topic becomes taboo, reasoned discourse becomes impossible, and therefor progress as well. Sure, perhaps no progress truly needs to be made in some areas, but unless we are able to talk about it with clear heads, how will we know for sure the difference between a topic that legitimately gets us angry, and one that merely enforces harmful stereotypes and discrimination like has happened with women, black people, Jews, or whatever, in the past? If something really is bad, then there will be a logical reason for it, and that should be enough for anyone. If someone like andy546 comes along asking what that reason may be, then it will do him and everyone far better if you can give him that logical reason rather than invoking an angry response, and comparing the topic with "evil". As you can see from the other responses so far, no one disputes the legality of this situation here, but there are already different opinions as to what the harmful effects of these files on teens actually are. Thus, I think that calm, and rational discussion of the topic is well in order. I'm not telling you or anyone not to have feelings on this or any subject, but please don't let it get in the way of dealing with this (or any situation) rationally.

A similar message goes to zapnosis, who while you didn't attack andy nearly as hard as Friendlyguy did, your "shock" to the subject apparently confused your interpretation of andy's intentions, which I will reiterate was to discuss the topic, not to advocate it, or admit to having supported it. Again, I do not think that any topic should be automatically closed for discussion. If the answer is that clear for everyone, then it will be a short discussion anyway. If it is not that clear, then evidently some discussion about it needs to take place. Since there is obviously some disagreement here on the issue, then discussion is very appropriate and andy should not be attacked nor ridiculed for his attempt to discover the facts of the situation. Like I said, he will be far better served by giving him the correct information (as best as you know it anyway), than by any sort of personal attack or ridicule.

Anyway, that's my "opinion" on this.

[Andier]

I will have to say I am oddly confused at the hostile reaction to the first post here. As Starmaster just mentioned, he was not expressing intent to, or supporting using these files on minors, just considering the theoretical damaging effects. In a sense, that's almost a way of saying it's a bad idea.

Back to the intended topic, I think hypnosis could have an ill influence of a teenager, but only if done incorrectly. I would imagine (with my admittedly limited experience with hypnosis) that there would be an ever so slightly different technique to hypnotizing a younger person, since thought process and personalities are generally a bit different. Though I doubt it would be much more different than how we may change an induction from one person to the next.

Concerning files from this site, I think it's self explanatory that these files could harm a teenager mentally, which is why they are on an adult only site. By nature, these files are meant to change people, whether they be a teenager or adult, and if used properly, the results would be there. As such, deprogram all would theoretically work in the same way. I will however side with the vast majority of the community and say that it would be a very bad idea to use any adult oriented file on a minor, regardless of if deprogram all was used.

[zapnosis]

I'm prepared to admit that I may have jumped to conclusions about andy546's intentions and if that is the case then I apologise for that. But, to extend a metaphor, would you ask a group of brewers and drinkers about the effect of alcohol abuse on children? If you want a medical opinion, ask a doctor. If you want an academic opinion, ask a professor. And if you post such a question on the public forum of an adult site, you should really be more careful how you do it. Perhaps, for example, by mentioning the academic institution that would recognise "the WarpMyMind forum" as a source of expert opinion on child psychology.

[MN_FriendlyGuy]

[andy546]

The reason I brought this topic up, which enrages some, is that I read a post the other day in this, or another hypnosis website, in which the father of a teenage son wanted to try a bodybuilding hypno file regimin on his son, since his son was really into BODYBUILDING. One post said he would advise against it because the file might mess up his mind. I am sorry if I have offended any. I never intented to experiment on minors, if that is what some of you are thinking.

[dottie]

I think I've seen the bodybuilding discussion in a forum on hypno-files.

One basic reason for adolescents to stay away from files like those here, is that the curse files, and -- to a lesser extent -- the training files are essentially building obsessions in the listener.
That's just plain unhealthy. Would you buy a bottle of vodka and a bag of weed for your teenaged son? Recommend that he take up bungee jumping? All probably harmless, but stupid nonetheless.

Adolescents are more susceptible than adults to learning bad habits (and, I would assume, developing obsessive or neurotic behaviors).
It just seems like a really bad idea to potentially expose a minor to this sort of problem when traditional teaching/training techniques would achieve the same results.

That said, I know someone who created a trigger so she would automatically clench her abdominal muscles whenever an exercise instructor said phrases like "abs tight" (I guess her attention drifted a lot during her morning workout) -- I'm not sure I can come up with a real reason an adolescent would have a problem with something like that. (Still, I know I'd be reluctant to give such a trigger file to a teen.)

[zapnosis]

[FloridaPuppy]

[Mino]

[sarnoga]

[MN_FriendlyGuy]

[FloridaPuppy]

[zapnosis]

[Lobotaru]

I wouldn't say that 13-17 year old's are necessarily too trusting, but I'd certainly not give a person who is below 18 access to any of these files. You have to realize the life of a teenager is filled with a lot of stress and trauma as is, given High School. There is no telling what kind of effect these files would have in conjunction with what he or she may be experiencing.

I agree with EMG, the effects should not be any different for a teenager as it would for an adult, but if you add the situational variables in it could be a pretty bad combination. If I were you, I'd probably choose a different essay assignment.

[Darth_Fugue]

[DKaiser]

[Jeshi]

[CuteLittleFaery]

[Devacy]

First of all he is only writing an essay. Nowhere did he suggest he would have or is having or will have anyone listen to anything. I think we are all quite aware of the age requirements on this site.

I think it can easily be assumed that the files are not on this site alone however there is leaks and piracy everywhere, it can only be stopped by stuff not being posted.

Also getting back to the point, it is an essay and I feel he is doing his research, he is trying to get statements and opinions to what could be considered users and professionals of the subject. Again it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with actually using the files as it does writing the paper and getting the information and research necessary to write the paper. Hypothetical situations are used quite often in writing papers, I remember using them quite often when I wrote research essays on subjects such as this.

Drugs, why do them? In the research of the essay would you ever really intend on overdosing to see what happens? No you take the words of the doctors and professions in that subject. You research the subject and get information to write the paper.

What I very much dislike is the improper use of written trance on this thread scolding the poor guy. Considering he is writing a paper, unless he is a junior in college, he is probably under 21. You wanted to make a point that those under 21 shouldn't be here, but you failed to think reasonably to his question. He didn't ask should he try the file or try it on someone. He asked for our opinion and left it at that. You went as far as to try and type in script to influence a negative feeling and regret in him. I do not support this in any means, Negativity does not belong in this area.

In my opinion, yes it would work. Children and teenagers are hypnotized and tranced all the time in many cases of conditioning. There is a doctors office just down the street where there is a professional that claims that trance can help in many fields of medical procedures as well in the rehabilitation of patients and in stopping bad habits.

Agreed that the case of such "psychological problems" does warrant the need for professional attention, there are professionals that use trance and hypnotism, actual doctors as before mentioned. You had no need in ever posting.

Now then, this thread is ready to die, the original poster posted this almost 5 years ago, almost, and has never come back to reply further. Not to mention the very first reply to the original poster was EMG, who is supposed to be the "big dog" around here right? Take a note from that in itself.

[DKaiser]

[Devacy]

I suddenly remember why I quit posting here when I joined last year... hell why i left this site all together last year... this community is not helpful, at least it was not to me. This community is full of sarcastic jerks.

[DKaiser]

Apologies for being who I am, though I note that if you're annoyed at people complimenting you in a mildly sarcastic manner, life's not going to be a very nice place to live in.

[Devacy]

No, don't apologize for being yourself, if it was a sincere complement and I took it wrong I am sorry. I don't know you and I can take blame for jumping the gun, I'm just far more used to replies like that being insults rather than complements, I apologize.

[slutinmyhead]

I've been into hypnosis since before I began puberty and doubt it's affected me cognitively in any negative way. If anything, the meditative aspect has been beneficial to my concentration, self-awareness, etc. For more information about mindfulness, which is really what hypnosis is, check out:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-brain-work/201012/why-learning-about-the-brain-can-be-positive-addiction

On the other hand, starting the sexual aspect at a young age is probably not such a good idea. Erotic hypnosis allows a degree of desensitization to occur regarding the taboo. Someone entering into it too young would likely be much more extreme by the time they were 40 years old than someone getting into it as an adult.

[TeenWolf]

I'd say the opposite.When I was 13, mostly every other teen I knew, including myself, was actually more untrusting that trusting.It was like figuring the world for yourself.If a teen wants to make a decision, then they have that right.I'm sure that there's no difference between a 18 y/o and a 21 y/o making a decision.

[xavious]

[ellisd]

pretty sure age wouldn't make much a difference, just my 2 cents

[Mutazoa]

ahem.

My first experience with Hypnosis was at age 6. My mother use to do magic for children's birthday parties and some of the regulars at the shop would gather at the house once a week to try out new magic tricks and the like. One evening one member of the group announced this new thing he had been studying...Stage Hypnosis. Everybody ooo'd and ahhh'd and demanded a demonstration. Being the eager kid I was I volunteered. The friend agreed stating that children are great hypnotic subjects, as they have great uninhibited imaginations. We went through what would today be considered a standard stage hypnosis act and when it was over I went to bed. No harmful side effects.

I got into hypnosis personally after that a few years later, hypnotizing friends at parties and such. Been doing it off and on over the years. That being said, here's my two cents on this long involved thread:

Children ARE more susceptible to hypnosis. They have amazing imaginations that allow almost perfect visualization. They also have no preconceived notions about much of anything. They are a blank slate waiting to be written on. Would Hypnosis be harmful to them. Not as such.

If the act/behavior the hypnosis induces would be harmful to them when not hypnotized then obviously the answer is "yes" that session would cause damage. Using an erotic hypnosis file on a child would be the same thing as molesting them while they were "awake".

If it was a beneficial session then no..it wouldn't do any damage. Case in point. I mentioned above that I was hypnotizing friends at parties a few years after my first induction. My re-introduction to hypnotism was this: One of my friends, who lived down the street came home one day to find his mother had shot herself. Imagine the trauma that inflicted. He was taken away (she was a single mother) and we didn't see him for some time. He came back for a visit some time later, and told us all about this therapy he was taking...Hypnotherapy. Which reminded me of MY experience...one thing led to another and the rest, as they say, is history. His experience with hypnosis was beneficial...helping him with the trauma of finding his mother dead.

Hypnosis is like any other tool. If used right, it causes no harm, no foul. If used nefariously, then it's going to do some damage.

Saying "oh if you hypnotize a kid your going to screw him/her up for life" is pretty stupid. It depends on what your doing while your monkeying around under his mental hood that is the key. If you wouldn't do it to them while they are awake, don't do it to them while they are under.

Exposing them to "training" files can be good or bad, depending on the file. I know of some one who's child was extremely brilliant but doing horrible in school. After a hypnosis session in which he trained his child to be interested in school and learning new things, the child went on to not only make up all the schoolwork to that point but went on to graduate that year as one of the top of her class. I would venture to opine that there was no harm done there.

The trainbodybuilder file here is designed for adults. Using THAT file may be unwise for children, but a file designed to encourage a child to get out and play and exorcise a little rather than spending all day on the X-box wouldn't be harmful.

In short: Hypnosis in of it self will not cause damage to a child's mind. Its what you do during the session that can cause damage.