Do you think this is satanic?

[tomtomtom]

I'm not into the whole fetish side of it, but I am into the self help section.

Do you think it is a little bit satanic? I'm not religeous but I dont like to go out of my way to anger the lord so to speak (dont really believe in it, have had sex with many different people, drink, etc.) hard to explain realllly..

Also is there any damage I could do to myself I was looking at some of the files and it was like permantly turn your self into a baby, to me that seems odd could someone explain to me why you would want to do that?

Also anyone had any experiance with the notshy thing, I only started it today (been doing this hyponotism gig for a few days now)

[NWNABA]

No,there's nothing Satanic about it.So don't even worry about that.

[loadedkaos]

I've grown up mormon and since have jumped to wiccan and satanism(LaVeyen). However this doesn't make me an expert, in fact I'm the last person to ask about religous morales. But if you are christian than most of the files on here would be considered satanic because they inspire lust keep in mind that lust and desire are two diferent things.. Lust is an obsession with sex, and nudity where desire is a natural curiosity about sex. It's a very thin line I'm just paraphrasing what I picked up from a christian book (not the bible, something more idiot proof). It makes sense though. Any way what I was getting at is the want to cause lust in your self or others could be considered satanic, however it's your brain and your life and I'm just a jerk with too many opinions. It just seems like from a dogmatic point of view it would be obvious.

[Mortal]

I'm sure everyone wil love to here from me. :D I don't think the files themselves are "satanic" however what they are intended to be used for is poisionous to the mind and soul. They cloud the mind with impossibilities, lust and selfishness. To illustrate my point in clouded minds search the forum and the voting page and see how clouded many minds have become. I would recommend for self help you go to a more reputable location.

[EMG]

[sandy82]

[Mortal]

EMG,
First I do find it interesting that those who preach tolerance have little for anyone with a different opinion. Next, the man asked for opinions and I gave mine. Nothing more, nothing less. You say that the self help are done just as effectively as any other here. That's not in question it's whether they are done as well as elsewhere.

I find it interesting that the question is about satanic files. Satan being only recognized by religions of the God of Abraham and Satanist people. An admitted satanist says they are satanic and others are here to defend them as otherwise. I would say the only people capable of answering the question would be Christians, Jews, Muslims and Satanists.

I would like to reiterate if your instincts tell you that you shouldn't be here then you should leave with haste.

[sandy82]

[Mortal]

[sandy82]

You're familiar with numbers. I remember a long disquisition on the Number 3.

Don't arrogate to yourself too much importance.

What happened to your good-natured moralism?

I repeat again. Go find yourself a "more reputable" location. With haste.

[Mortal]

My good natared moralism is still there but I have grown a little weary of the blanket attacks for expressing an opinion. Tolerance except for people who differ from you. Honestly, who has been more tolerant?

I'm just pointing out that I go attacked at every turn and that seems interesting. I say something and it must be commented on. I do appreciate the special importance I seem to take in your life as well. As you seem to have a major interest in bringing me up.

Avoiding the 82?

[sandy82]

[loony28]

[BobbyS]

Handbags at dawn :twisted:

OK, Mortal, just be quiet for a sec...

No, seriously...

Quiet....

I mean it....

OK, good.
I think everyone here should and DOES respect another's religion and won't try to deter them from it. (note - that goes for you, too).
If you have a problem with the site that's also fine. You wouldn't expect a Jew to be 'OK' with a Nazi site, nor would you criticise him for it. Similarly, everyone here undestands if you don't appreciate some (or all) of this stuff.
However, you should bear two things in mind.

1) This site combines fetish and hypnosis. Fetishes can be regarded as 'wrong' by religions - no one is going to force you to like this stuff. However, hypnosis is a psychologically proven technique that can help beat things like addiction, insomnia and phobias. The only religion I know that 'disses' it is puritannical Christianity which claims it leaves the mind open to the devil. However, in my opinion, you're less likely to be influenced by Lucifer under hypnosis because you are focusing on just the hypnosis. In everyday life, tons of stuff can affect you.

2) We respect your view, you've made it known, but it is POINTLESS to hang around this site if it offends you. EMG wasn't being intolerant in his post, he was simply stating that there is nothing to be gained from posting messages on a site which offends you. If you really are as offended as you say you are, you wouldn't still be here.

Unless you've learnt to live with the site, we don't expect another post from you. Good day. :)

[Mortal]

No offense taken.
No, hypnosis is not satanic at all and can be used for tremendous good and on the flip side trememndous evil. No, I do not know EMG's position on satan but he chose an interesting name. This site has a lot of evil on it but it also can not be called Satanic. No whether or not you go to hell really doesn't bother me too much.
I am here because this is my world as well. In a utopia I wouldn't have to worry about the things that go on in a site like this or any other but unfortunately we are all here on earth. My problem is moral relativity in general. It is where Hitler and others emerged from. It does lead to destruction of civilization and you know, I happen to like civilization. I am not out for people's souls I am out for my children and my world.
Guilt for the things people participate in has others blaming society and social norms for the wrongs they commit instead of looking inwardly. This causes them to say society wronged them in some way for not allowing them to get their fix. All leading to a lack of morals in a society that needs it more than ever. You are not hurting anyone you are hurting everyone.
My duty is to make a better world for my children. That may mean preaching, that may mean challenging, and that may mean annoying but never the less it is my duty.
I have been patient with you all.

[BobbyS]

You may have been patient with us but we are losing patience with you.
Let's have three simple yes/no answers before we go any further.

Do you want to surf this site?

Do you like surfing this site?

Does it interfere with your religion?

[makidas]

Mormon, oh shit, I mean Mortal, you should just be quiet, you have no friends here, you obviously are not very intelligent, you obviously can not take a hint. Why are you still here again?

I noticed athinnly veiled swipe at emg's name. If a rose were renamed an evilmindwarpguy today, would it smell any different? Would it now be an evil flower? Would you now be questioning the flowers position on satan? Apparently we're all going to hell too.

You know there's another word for a utopian society, it's called communism, ever heard of it? I feel sorry for your children. You have not been patient, we have been patient, you have been an arrogant, cynical, holier-than-thou, self-righteous ass.

[sandy82]

[loadedkaos]

[sandy82]

Sandy surveys the battlefield. :)

Loadedkaos, a very interesting post on a topic that I know little about.

First, you don't have to apologize for the length of your post. It is a fascinating topic. I read every word, and I hope I learned something. If some readers have Sesame-Street attention spans, that is no fault or responsibility of yours.

It strikes me that I--and perhaps others, too--need some definitions or "anchors." Two reasons. The word "satanism" is highly charged for people who know nothing about it. A typical reaction would be that "satanism" is equivalent to the blackest evil. I know in my head that it's not so, but it's the longstanding mental associations that need to be reformed. Second reason. Satanism probably has some specialized vocabulary that would be useful to know. Without it, can anyone really understand the concepts? I draw on two fields for examples of similar specialized vocabulary. Doctors will tell you convincingly that the cause of your ailment is idiopathic. Sounds good. But "idiopathic" means "I don't know the cause." Lawyers will tell you about constructive eviction, constructive fraud, etc. "Constructive" is a fancy word for "it didn't happen at all, but we'll proceed as if it did." I won't even get into sociology, etc.

I'd like to know more. Is there a good reference source on the Internet that you can point us to? Also, how many stupid questions can you stand from a novice? :)

(Quick thought. If you ever need a fancy--and truthful--name for what sounds like a serious disease, try "idiopathic peditis." It means "my foot hurts, and I don't know why.")

[loony28]

[loadedkaos]

Well I just want to make it clear that I don't identify my spiritual views as any religion mainly because I find dogma even satanic dogma enslaving but my world view philosophy at the moment is mostly Satanism with a little budist philosophy. I know it's seems weird but I think one need parodoxes in their world views otherwise it will become stagnant and boring. Although I may change my philosophy or even contradict myself in the future (just warning everbody). The reason why I call it philosophy is because it would just seem to much like lip service if I said I was a satanist and didn't even consider following it forever. Of course this sense of not wanting to be tied down may just be a parodox in itself since most satanist honor individuality. But any way I digress you want some online refrences I am more than willing to share.

http://www.spiralnature.com/spirituality/satanism/index.html
http://www.churchofsatan.com/
http://www.xeper.org/
http://www.occultforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=76

You may here right hand and left han path thrown around alot so here is a good link that explains it although not everyone agrees to the same terminology it seems that rhp incluedes religions that are altruistic, and compassionate, where lhp seems to include religions(such as satanism) that encourage rational self-interest.
http://www.chaosmagic.com/archives/lhprhp/index.shtml

Even though I don't endorse the use or condone the use of relegion the subject does fascinate me terribly. Any time you have a question that I can answer I will or I'll atleast try and point you to some more interesting site.

p.s. Thanks for the comments sandy82

[Mortal]

Sorry for the delay in my responses. For some reason this thread hasn't been showing up as having changes to me. First the yes no questions.

Yes I occaisionally survey the site.
Yes there are parts I enjoy but not in the way I believe that you do.
Yes sometimes it does go against my religion as I have bouts or wrath and arrogance that rear their ugly head.

As for whether any one likes me I don't really care who likes me and who doesn't. It should be well known that I am comfortable standing out in a crowd.

Sandy, you are right that my statement was out of arrogance. I apologize. However, let me say to you let he who is without sin cast the first stone. How many times has that phrase been said to me? I am not perfect and don't pretend to be.

Communism was described as a utopian society but I think we can all agree it wasn't. Communism tries to force the issue and by doing so violates the very possibility. I am not arguing with your choices I am challenging your positions. You have all the freedom to do what you wish. If I were to force the issue I would be working on shutting the site down not having a discussion in it.

As far as banishment goes. First tell me what I have done that is wrong. I stay to the idle chatter topic which is by definition talk about whatever. I have stayed to threads where either I am addressed or I am talking about the subject. My views are unpopular here and so I should be banished (talk about communism). Also, if anyone thinks banishment on any level can stop someone then you are deluding yourself.

I agree with loadedkaos this thread is off topic. For this reason I will start a Mortal is wrong thread and you can feel free to attack me in it all you wish and not mess up other peoples questions. So they can get their threads out and I can respond if I deem it necessary without destroying the thread.

[sandy82]

[missypuss]

Does anyone else think that "Satanic " is just a state of mind which depends on whose version of reality you were bought up in :?: :twisted:

[VeryGnawty]

[sandy82]