2 Questions

[busboy]

1) I'm running a month long repetition of TrigArousal (*pause* EMG Rocks! *unpause*) without triggering it until the end. My slowly growing concern is that, during the file playing, I am absolutely unaroused (sorry EMG -- I'm sure you're sexy and all but you're a little too, well, male for my tastes).
I'm green as the freshly mowed grass on the subject, but my perhaps naive understanding was that the effectiveness of the post-hyp suggestions was keyed in some way to a sort of Pavlovian subconcious reaction -- train the subcon to associate phrase "X" with state "Y". Will there be any possibility of effectiveness if I'm never aroused during the trance? It seems the whole point of the descriptors is to bring forth the particular feelings and/or memories that we're trying to post-hyp trigger, and if I never experience them during trance will the clinical understanding of my subcon to create a certain feeling (arousal) be enough for it to actually create that state?

2)I've had some moderate success for myself with self-created inductions and deepeners. The more I work at it, the more I'm noticing that my files seem to base heavily on using a *snap* sound (especially with my re-trance PHS) to emphasize a command ... something I don't think I've heard on a single file here. I recognize that it's a very stage hypnotist sort of device, but does it's utter absence from the files here indicate that the (far) more knowledgeable people here recognize some inherent problem with using a "startle" sound, or is it just a matter of style? If using the sounds is inhibiting the proper state of mind (and therefore the work done while under trance) then the sooner I correct it the sooner I can do something more productive.

Thanks in advance to any advice or suggestions, and "suck on eggs" in advance to any flames.

GO PATS!

[MN_FriendlyGuy]

[busboy]

thanks for the kind words (unless it was some voodoo text-induction)!!

I hadn't thought about there being no snapping sound files here. I dug up a few clear ones from some sound effects sites that I'm happy to pass on if you/members/WMM would like them (three sound files uploaded, 100 files downloaded . . . seems fair).

Can you offer any suggestions re: the trigarousal? Am I going to have to start splicing some saucy sounds into the file, or should I just rely that the file will accomplish its goals regardless of my reaction during the trance? I'm hesitant to splice more sounds in because between EMG, some binaurals, a subliminal file, and a "distractor" sound file, it's rapidly approaching the point of being more noise than useful.

[MN_FriendlyGuy]

[baby_jessica75]

for a suggestion that may help (maynot I am not extremely knolagable with trigger files= or any others for that matter!) if you are looking for a true Pavlovian experience is it possible that if you say the trigger ( either in your head or outloud) while you are becomming aroused at other times than listening to the files maybe it would help to reinforce the trigger?

[busboy]

@baby_jessica:
I had toyed with that idea (using trigger during consious arousal for association), but ended up shying away from it.
This whole bizzare little experiment came about from a conversation on the chat channel with Rogue and Wildsprite. As a total rookie to hypno, I was expressing frustration with the fact that I was seemingly able to reach trance, but couldn't accomplish anything beyond that. I had been attempting to elicit some form of physical reaction to hypnotic instruction (stage behavior like "baloon lifting your arm"), but couldn't get anything to happen. The closest I could get was my post-hyp trigger to re-trance . . . it doesn't put me under, but does cause the same sensation as a "head rush", as if I stood up too fast while hyperventilating.
The suggestion was made to focus on one trigger, and Rogue had mentioned he had success with people using the TrigArousal file. Given his stated success with it, plus the fact that the intended effect (trigger phrase gets you aroused) seemed relatively easy to create (as opposed to, say, trigger phrase makes you think you're a robot), I decided to focus on it. The reason I'm not going to test it for a month is to give it time to absolutely sink in (or not) -- trying it without any effect only feeds into frustration and doubt for me.
All this backstory is to explain why I decided not to try associating the trigger outside of the trance. If I go that route, and presuming the trigger works in a month, then I'm going to be asking myself whether the trigger worked because of the post-hyp command or because of the association made during non-trance, which then leaves me back at square one (does this stuff actually work?).
I started exploring hypnosis as an extreme skeptic, and while much of that doubt has been eliminated (my being able to go into trance and the effects of the post-hyp "sleep" trigger shocked the hell out of me), I'm still left debating with myself whether hypnosis can go (for me, at least) any farther than the equivilent of deep focused meditation. Although I tend to assume stage hypnotism is bunk, the apparent ability to create a strong enough command to either cause a physical reaction (freeze, your nose is super-sensitive, etc.) or a mental one (believe you're driving a car, you're a robot, etc.) is something that facinates me, and I'd like to see if it's actually achievable with hypnosis or if it's just wishful role-playing on the part of the subjects. Thus, the test . . . if I can get one trigger to actually work, then I'll be convinced -- more complicated triggers and effects would then just be a matter of degrees. If I can't get a post-hyp trigger to actually work . . . then mabye for me hypno will never be anything but a form of meditation. I'm deeply hoping that's not the case as hypnosis in theory offers both great practical opportunities (I'm ADD, and being able to intensify my ability to focus would be a godsend) as well as purely entertainment value (being able to get turned on with the snap of my fingers wouldn't be something too unwelcome :D ).
Anyway, sorry to blather on. My deep thanks for the suggestion.

[busboy]

@Friendly Guy:

Hmmmmm . . . good advice. Thank you.

I've been going with the combined files because I made my frist "breakthrough" --successful trance and semi-succesful "sleep" trigger -- imediately after I tried using stiched together files. I had proceeded on the assumption that the combined files deserved the credit, but it could have just been a matter of fortuitious timing.

Now let's see, which file do I like better . . . snapping sounds, or the moaning and groaning of people in the throes of pleasure . . . decisions, decisions . . . 8)

[MN_FriendlyGuy]

[busboy]

[EMG]

[SDoll]

[cardigan]

[busboy]

[baby_jessica75]

busboy do you think that maybe it is possible that your worry over not getting aroused during the file may have caused you to think about it too much while listening and caused you not to be able to relax enough to trance very well and maybe that was halting your progress? just a thought I don't know much about alot of this but at least my input is free (so if you want a refund let me know I can afford to refund free!)

[cardigan]

If during a trance session, you start wondering whether you are in at trance or not, you are

a) going out of trance to access your conscious mind, that it may evaluate the situation. This is a trance breaker. Just go with the flow and don't be havin' those thought! :-)

b) implanting a very powerful suggestion in your mind that you are probably not in trance. Hence any suggestions given to you will not work: You are NOT in trance ERGO the suggestions won't work.

So try not to evaluate and try also to have a positive mind. Imagine in your mind that the suggestions are working and expect them to work!

[busboy]

@baby_J and Cardigan:

No doubt you are both right. The only time I can stop thinking about things is when I'm unconcious (I gots the ADD bad) . . . one of the eventual planned payoffs to all this study was hopefully being able to kick the cranium down a few gears. In my homemade files, I've been putting in as much background/secondary noise as I can tolerate just to give my attention something to drift to . . . the necessary pauses in the speaking are like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
The reassurance that its not something to worry about certainly helps, so again thanks for that Cardigan.