Binaural

[dionysus]

what exactly does a binaural do and how does it work?

[loony28]

[bdbu]

hate to burst anyone's bubble but binaurals are a load of crap and do not work. its all placebo really.

[Wildsprite]

[loony28]

[MN_FriendlyGuy]

[Mino]

I think binurals are a placebo but they're not doing any harm and they help me relax although there are a few which just give me a headache. Although I've seen on a few different forums that about half of the people experience the intended affects and the other half just get a headache or something.

[bdbu]

I know all about binaurals and the theory behind them. wut im sayin is that it doesnt work like hippies think it does. its all a placebo. if they truly workede, it work for every person on the planet because there are no variables that would make it not work.

[loony28]

[Blink]

[Wildsprite]

we know it does something, placebo? well maybe but half the time people don't know what they are supposed to effect, so I don't think thats entirely true, as for what the hippies think it does or is supposed to do....hmmm half of the hippies are either stoned or tripping on something anyway so almost anything will effect them in ways it wont even bother a sober person, so I guess the real question is what do they actually do? I'm sure its something even if its mild, perhaps they just relax or annoy people? even if thats all they do thats not a placebo its something

[bdbu]

there is a difference between a medical placebo effect and wuts goin on with binaurals. with binaurals, ppl rly wanty to feel the desired effect so they pretend like they are feeling it when really the binaural is doing nothing. any effects of brain entrainment r all hypothetical and if someone was somehow given a binaural beat without them knowing it wouldnt affect them at all because it doesnt actually work.

[BobbyS]

The whole point of the placebo effect is that is an actual tangible effect derived from something that doesn't actually do anything. It's your expectations of what something's supposed to do that alters it.

Alcohol's a good example - ply someone with alcohol-free beer all night and there's a chance they'll get pissed - purely because of what they're expecting. Their intoxication is a placebo effect. It's an expected change or effect that's come about from something that doesn't do what they think it does.

So in answer to your point, WildSprite it doesn't matter WHAT the placebo effect does behaviourally - so long as the thing behind it all isn't genuine. If the "tool" does something - anything - without the "tool" actually physically doing what the subject thinks its meant to then it is a placebo.

[BobbyS]

[bdbu]

[Wildsprite]

[bdbu]

no proof that im wrong. my proof is personal experience and experiences of friends and ppl i know.

[loony28]

[bdbu]

[busboy]

[dionysus]

if it works or not, what harm does it do to listen to it? and everyone's brain acts similar to a computer, albeit, a SUPERcomputer. each brain has its own unique "encryption" code. if it isn't satisfied, it can't be accessed. thats a good metaphore to how the pleasure center works. and by the way, i am a hippie, a tree-huggin'/hill-humpin' hippie! all i need now is the marijuana and i would be complete! lol

[bdbu]

[BobbyS]

[loony28]

[dionysus]

wow... you guys are pretty touchy about this. it really doesn't matter wheater or not it works to me, just what the hell its point is.

[busboy]

looney,
I think the "learn 2 read cuz UR stoopid-head" snotty attitude was a weak shot at me, not you.

@bdbu:
lessee . . . you claim binaurals are all placebo because of your prsonal experience and the comments of people you know (post 2/3/08@6:29am). Demonstrating a complete lack of logic, you imply your opinion, then aparently assert that since your opinion hasn't been irrefutably disproven, it must be true.
Looney comments that s/he has seen research implying actual effect, which would tend to undercut your opinion (blessedly all-knowing though it may be) (post 2/3/08 @6:40).
You respond that "I heard information from a study" is a "shaky response" to refute the far more authorative position of "that's what I think and so do my buddies." (post 2/3/08@7:19).
I comment that between someone refering to a study (cut-and-paste quoted or not) and someone going on opinion (y'know . . . something that's just in their head . . . they just beleive it so it must be real . . . sound like anything mentioned in this thread?) it sounds like your position that binaurals are all placebo and certainly "don't work like the hippies think" (whatever the heck that means) is the less supported (post 2/3/08, 7:29).
You suggest I haven't been reading the thread because you cited a study discussing the existence of placebo effects in a pharmaceutical trial . . . something that bears no impact on the discussion of whether binaurals are placebos. (2/3/08@9:03).
. . . nope. I read it right. You're jumping all over the place -- and apparently have truoble distinguishing the difference between the question of whether binaurals are nothing more than placebo effects and the question of whether the placebo effect is subjective or objective (in pharmaceutical trial no less). Mabye that comes from never having learned to read properly. Well, that's my opinion at least, based on my experience . . . I guess I'm right until you can scientifically prove I wrong, eh?
I recognize that this site caters strongly to the kink audience, but is there any particular reason you've got such a large attitude stick lodged in your rectum about this?

[bdbu]

i stopped reading when u continued to assert that "ive heard of a study somewhere" is a valid argument.

[bdbu]

omg guys guess wut i found a study that says im rite. look now im credible woot. dont ask me about the study tho cuz i dun remember where it is.

[baby_jessica75]

hate to intrude but figured someone might appreciate these.

[url]http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:mumW-ZlcK7UJ:www.cosmicegg.org/binaural%2520beat.pdf+binaural+beats+scientific&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=11&gl=us[/url]
[url]http://www.centerpointe.com/about/articles_research.php[/url]

[busboy]

@babyjessica:
nice finds, and good reads.

[Mino]

Can we please make a rule to only speak in full words and sentences rather than letters and numbers?

[Wildsprite]

[MN_FriendlyGuy]

[AFA]

Judging by this trend I would say binaurals are like salt. It can greatly improve something, but if the person doesn’t like it all it will do is raise there blood pressure.

From what I have read binaurals are more of assist than a way to actually enter hypnosis. They allow the brain to enter different states that it may or may not be more susceptible to hypnotic suggestions. The mind can be in any state and still not go under hypnosis.

I can honestly say from my own experience that they do work at changing my state of mind to an extent, but as for weather they have made it any easier to go into trance I can’t say.

[bdbu]

no ne here rly seems to care about the science behind binaurals which makes them differ hugely from hypnosis. binaurals either work on everybody or work on nobody because of the science behind them. therefore if it doesnt work on any one person, it doesnt work on anyone and those who claim they do r kidding themselves.

[Wildsprite]

[EMG]

[bdbu]

hypnosis totally depends on your personal thoughts which differ between people obviously, binaural beats dont. the theory behind it says that if ur brain here's this frequency for this amount of time, it will start to process that frequency itself. how the hell could that be so different between people? its basic biology, we all have the same parts. either it works or it doesnt.

[testry]

[BobbyS]

[Aaden]

The use of the term "binaural" on this site has bothered me for quite some time.

The *real* definition of a binaural recording is one that was recorded using a binaural microphone rig. A binaural rig is TWO microphones placed the same distance apart as the human ears, so that the recording is created with the left/right channels recorded as the ear is meant to hear them.

Complex binaural rigs include fake human heads complete with shoulders so induce "shoulder bouncing" which is how the human ear recognizes a sound that comes from behind us.

The common usage of the term "binaural" on this site is entirely incorrect.

[MN_FriendlyGuy]