Roleplayers - one of the worst kind of erotic hypnosis fans

[BobbyS]

Over the past two and a half years I've hypnotised tens of people, quite often ones that actively added me themselves when they stumbled upon my 360 profile. I don't claim to be an expert hypnotist or even that proficient - I am very much still learning but by now I at least know my way around it.

What pisses me off though is that of these tens of people I've supposedly hypotised, I'd say about 65% of them were roleplayers. Of the remaining people, there are only about half that I could tell beyond any shadow of a doubt were genuine. The thing that gets me so much is that the people who sought me out were all roleplayers without fail - it is people that I started chatting to and instigated conversations with that turned out to be earnestly wanting to try hypnosis. The thing is I have made it clear every time that I am looking to do this for real, and still the roleplayers come.

I just can't understand why roleplayers pretend to be in it for real - yes, that's the whole point, but just a simple "I'm looking to roleplay this" statement before we start would suffice. Yet everytime I asked a roleplayer if they really want to do this (and point out how a half hour induction would be a boring roleplay device) they say they're genuine.

It FUCKS ME OFF!

Why? Dear God, WHY?

Do they have no respect for people's time? I put in half an hour of my life with an induction in order to improve technique, try out new things and most importantly, have fun, for both concerned. Roleplaying under false pretences is the cyber equivalent of pissing over a handmade present.

Worst I ever had was on MiRC when someone claimed repeatedly to be in it for real and two minutes into the induction I caught him/her chatting away on another channel. Needless to say I exposed he or she for the fraudster they were.

Don't they realise if they SAY they're looking for roleplay there are miuch better possibilities for their scenario than real hypnosis? Real hypnosis is limited by the small matter of reality - roleplay could allow for all kinds of wacky inductions.

Hey-ho, the upside is I'm now adept at spotting and sifting through roleplayers - probably more so than at actual hypnosis. :-(

Sorry this has been such a long rant but roleplayers are something that have plagued me since the beginning of practicing hypnosis online and piss me off something rotten.

[Henrique]

[BobbyS]

That's not what I'm getting at - a light trance will cause the subject to "play along" the suggestions rather than physically feeling them. That's not my problem. My problem is:

a) the army of men who pretend theuy're women and will not tell you otherwise (unless they're hypnotised, in which case they will let slip if asked)

and mainly b) the legions of people who claim to genuinely want to be hypnotised but really want to get off on 'the good bits'. People who think "mmm" is a convincing reply to the final stages of progressive relaxation - a stage where the subject ought to be too relaxed to type a full word, let alone a pointless remark like "mmm". I mean, have you ever seen anyone type "mmm" in any chat, let alone during a hypnosis induction? It would be like them typing "burp" if they belch. Okay, someone might not be as deep as they or I would like by that stage, but nobody except a roleplayer would type bloody "mmm".
Of course, this is just one of many many many many many many annoying traits roleplayers have, but come on - don't tell me at least, AT LEAST, one third of your hypnotic subjects (if you 'tise rather than be 'tised that is) have been roleplayers.

[missypuss]

Wow! What a rant and long one at that.
How do you know that they are roleplayers? I know that when I started using IM for hypno chats I was sceptical that I could be put under that way, and many times the person doing the tisting, actually wasnt GOOD enough to get me there,
So a dilemma do I tell them its not happening for me, and spoil there trip, or do I continue in "role" and let them have what they want from me?
Most of the time, Id be inclined to tell them, after all, that is what I am there for.
And it is a learning curve for both of us.
There is not a time now when I roleplay, having seperated the decidedly suspect tists from the downright excellent ones.
And I guess thats your problem, maybe you just dont do it for some people?
I agree a little honesty would be in order, but you say you can tell now when you have another player, so perhaps the answer would be for you, to stop chatting to them before it gets to the stage that makes you want to rant like this??
Just my thoughts on the matter.
(Oh and sometimes I say "mmmm" and Im a female who is not a roleplayer.... :P )

[BobbyS]

I do agree that there is clearly an issue of actually if the hypnosis is working, and I'll openly confess there have been several times when it hasn't.

All I ask when that happens is that the person tell me if that's the case. They needn't even take the initiative; before each trance I let the person know I might ask them some questions along the way and that what matters is they just answer honestly, whether it seems the trance is working or not. Without being able to see or hear the person I'm hypnotising, the questions serve as markers to let me know if it's going okay or not. Still, it can be tempting to go along with it, but once someone reaches a progressive relaxation trance (which is the kind I use), they're at the stage where, as long as the question isn't unexpected or disturbing, they simply answer honestly. So, if the person is honest, I'll (theoretically) know for sure by the time they're under whether they're in trance or not. (How deep a trance is of course another matter that will require using several different suggestions.)

At the end of the day, even if it's not going well I refuse to believe the following gems: after being hypnotised "my lesbian flatmate hypnotised me and made her into her sex slave", "i was captured by another person on this channel and made into a sexbot for visiting internet users" and the utter ignorance of the person who, not after just giving it ten minutes or so to see how it develops, started flitting across and chatting to users on another Irc channel TWO MINUTES into the induction. I mean, come on!

This all to say nothing of all the "girls" out there I have successfull hypnotised who turned out to be men while under (there was one brilliant example where a repeated orgasm suggestion that usually goes down a treat with the lasses had someone begging it to stop after two goes - the reason? it was a guy). I'm not adverse to hypnotising men - but don't jerk me around pretending that you're women. If you have a feminization fantasy, that's fair enough but the hypnotist needs to know the facts.

With regards to the whole "mmm" thing, I can see how someone would do it during progressive relaxation (and mine is a fairly drawn out one), but not while in trance.

Sorry if all this ranting and raving has made me seem like an ignorant jerk but this really is something that has pissed me off about the erotic hypnosis scene - I am genuinely interested in erotic hypnosis and learning more about its kinks and why other people enjoy it and roleplayers act as a barricade to that.

[BobbyS]

Oh and trust me - I DON'T let a roleplayer get anywhere anymore. It's still annoying that they keep popping up though.

[missypuss]

[BobbyS]

Heh heh - glad to hear you're having fun. Interesting point you raised about roleplaying 'tists though - I'd never thought about whether the reverse was true. I suppose the problem is hypnosis and mind control open up such a broad spectrum of fantasies that roleplayers are inevitable.

They're still dicks though, to be fair.

[missypuss]

[strictausmstr]

for my two cents worth....

I find the most amusing outcome and exposure of roleplayers is when you set a future task under trance and give an instruction to remember everything they do.....

Then when you later chat and ask for an update they report on "most" of what you set. One - when queried - "forgot" and "couldn't remember" some of the tasks set.....

next!.....


As for roleplaying tists.... the actual exploration of technique and enhancement of skill is important.... as for having trousers round ankles - can do that without trance I believe - so why use trance to simulate the act... tehre are plenty of roleplayers for these roleplayers to get off with

All in all.... to quote Malcolm McLaren "I get my kicks above the waist line sunshine"

[missypuss]

[BobbyS]

[Henrique]

[missypuss]

[BobbyS]

[strictausmstr]

oh yeah!

the best are the sessions where a post suggestion is put in and the subject carries out an action and halfway through is enabled to think "Oh my God!!!" :)

The satisfaction from that is immense from my end of town.

[Kharon]

[BobbyS]

Absolutely - I have come across a couple of people who have admitted (when asked) all they're looking for is roleplay and we just leave it at that - nice and amenable.

The sheer irritation is people constantly insisting they want genuine hypnosis, but then roleplaying.