Frustrated and looking for help...

[Ladon]

Well, some of you may have noticed me around for a while now, I've posted a few files and been around the forums for several years.

I love some of the files I've found, but when I'm completely honest with myself, I can't say I can see any real results from any of them. My main interest lies in diapers/incontinence/regression, but few of the files are in the 'Goldilocks' zone for me. And those that do fit, feel more like fantasy fodder than something that could really work.

I find it hard to listen to any file that says "X will happen anytime you wear diapers" or whatever, because that implies it is automatic. The very first time it DOESN'T happen automatically, it would reinforce the idea that it can't. The reason the 'your eyes are getting very heavy' or 'your eyes want to close' type of suggestion works is because the eyes naturally WANT to close, even if just to blink, so the hypnotist is calling attention to an already existing fact.

What I've become stuck with is listening to files that have NO effects other than a trigger, then never using the trigger. I want to keep listening until I'm SURE the trigger will work. Still, with something like bedwetting, I can't voluntarily make the suggestion happen, in order to reinforce the trigger. Even moreso with commands like EMG's Potty Amnesia, which outright says 'you will forget you were ever potty trained.' I can't just make that happen.

Anyway, as I've said in other posts, I am not entirely sure I'm getting to any useful level of trance in the first place. There are lots of things I'd love to learn in hypnosis, but what I think I need at this point is someone to 'prove it' to me. I believe it works, but I have no evidence in my case.

Funds have been limited for my household for a long time, otherwise I'd offer a bounty. Still, I know there are several very talented hypnotists here and some work with people online. If someone can show me the light, I'd be very grateful, and would likely post more interesting files, at the very least.

[Ladon]

I guess I shouldn't expect much from such a wall of text, lol. I did get a nice PM and was introduced to a very nice file, dldrip009 I think.

Anyway, I just thought I'd try again. I know there are a lot of people here that HAVE seen results, and that persistence is a good trait. I do believe I CAN eventually get results, but randomly trying different files, hoping to get something to show for it is hard.

I keep trying to find one file that I really like, and can dedicate to. I've worked with good trigger files in the past, like Bubble Induction, Bedwetting Trigger, and Enchanted Keyboard. It doesn't really matter HOW many times I listen to them, the trigger isn't anything more than me going through the motions, if I am able to. In the case of the bedwetting trigger, I can't even pretend it's working.

The trouble is that I'm not interested in feminization (though hallucinating 'great big boobies' would be spectacular), and trigger files seem to be out. I can't currently decide to be a full time bedwetter or in 24/7 diapers again. I'll keep trying, but any help would be great. :)

[sarnoga]

What is it you are looking for? It is not clear to me from your two posts exactly what it is you want help with.

Sarnoga

[Ladon]

See? I get tooooo long winded and never make my point.

I'm asking for further suggestions (pardon the pun) to see some sort of result from hypnosis. A few members here have said they sometimes work with people one-on-one, either by IM or voice/vid chat.

I enjoy listening to many of the files here (especially yours, Sarnoga), but I can't say I've noticed anything happening as a result of any given file, other than a nice nap occasionally.

Is it supposed to feel like I'm just playing along? Like "I guess I'll do this, but only because I want to anyway"? I always assumed it would feel more like contagious yawns. You see someone yawning and suddenly, you find yourself yawning, without any conscious effort. (I'm yawning as I type this, just at the thought.)

[mindphuk]

I think you might be wanting it too much.

There is a rule thats saying: "Every conscious struggle causes the opposite". Ever tried willingly to fall asleep and the harder you tried the more awake you became? That's the point.

Maybe you are also wanting too much at the same time. Then you should clean up your aims, start with an easy one and then go on. Keep your focus on the aim but don't put yourself under stress to achieve it. Let it happen and stay calm about it.

It's also OK if you start with something you could or would also just do freely. At the end it doesn't matter why you do it but that you do it, and frequently. Something someone does frequently enough becomes a habit, and there it is.

[sarnoga]

[Ladon]

Wow, I know it takes time to write a post like that, thank you.

While I'm not sure, if I had to guess, I'd say that I have (on occasion) actually been in a trance, usually using Blink's Basic or the Furniture Shop, and more recently, dldrip's file. I liked Road Home, but it didn't seem to be quite right for me.

I usually am not aware of when it happened, much like with falling asleep, thinking back you just can't remember exactly when it happened. That seems natural, as the conscious was otherwise occupied at the time, if it WAS a trance. I might have just been asleep.

Regarding your final insight, that makes perfect sense. In my reading of both Erickson and Bandler/Grinder, it was mentioned that a key is for the 'subject' to succeed, regardless of the result.

I think I'll find or make a good lucid dreaming file, because I know I'm able to do that, I used to LD almost every night, before I even knew it wasn't ordinary to do so. Outright statements, like "You will have a lucid dream whenever you listen to this file" just seem like a recipe for failure, even if the trance is good.

I think.

:)

I'll put your suggestions to work, even if I don't see results right away.

Ladon

[elisabet]

There is also more than one way to get into trance as well. Or at least more than one kind of induction. I liken induction styles to learning styles - some people are primarily one or the other, some people learn best by a mix of the different styles. For example - in a progressive relaxation induction most of the time it references thinking about your feet. I have nerve damage in my feet, and it tosses me right out of trance. Long inductions work very badly for me because I get bored easily :-) When working with someone who tends to do long inductions I have to continually use a trance trigger to stay down.

However one of my Sirs tends to string inductions together when he listens t files in order to achieve results. He just doesn't go 'deep' easily and the mix of styles, lengths and voices tends to help him a great deal.

I've also heard a lot about conditioning. (And seen the results myself!) With my Master's voice, especially when he's recording (when he says it is safe for me to do so) just his 'hypnosis' voice will send me spiraling down. Same with the other two Sirs that I work with regularly and the one person's files I listen to regularly as well. So maybe listening to one hypnotist's work might help? Getting used to how it feels, conditioning yourself to their voice?

And have you thought about visiting a practicing hypnotherapist to learn how to self-hypnotize or listening to a file that helps you set a personal trance trigger? And remember to relax! Don't expect anything. Just enjoy the mental massage.

Good luck! The results when you get there are well worth the effort.

~elisabet.

[Ladon]

I've never had any trouble relaxing, that's one nice thing. I do tend to go along and 'look' for tense muscles. At times, I have to adjust my pillow several times to get my neck just so, no tension required to hold it where it is, and also no stress from the angle.

I can relate to certain phrases not working for you, as pretty much anything that says 'imagine' or 'picture in your mind' just ... fail. I have very limited 'visualization' abilities.

[elisabet]

Ah, see! You do need a different style. I'm willing to bet that you would respond really well to a rapid or shock induction in person. :-) Most online 'tists don't use other styles because they use what appeals to the most people. I really do suggest finding someone to work with in person who is familiar with the different styles. Good luck /smiles.

[DKaiser]

[mindphuk]

[renzhee]

What is it you are looking for?