Subliminal Music

[Trance01]

Here is a little idea, a subliminal files that plays standard music (rock, pop rap etc) but with subliminal messages in the background. This would mean the listener (or victim :twisted: ) thinks they are just listening to their favourite song(s) but they are being secretly programmed. This would also mean the listeners attention is focused on the music thus opening up the subconscious to the subliminals.

what you think EMG? good idea? :D or would it even work? :?

[EMG]

[gregi696]

[davelowe1977]

I think the subliminal tunes are a good idea. If someone can explain the process to me I will create one and submit it. I have some music that I have created for the backgrounds to business presentations which I own the rights to (it's already quite hypnotic!). There are bits of 'dark' sounding dance music I have written too. Presumably the vocal track is overlaid but so quietly the concious mind cannot hear it. Anyone who knows better, please advise. I have all the studio software, etc. I could also spacially encode it if required to whatever brainwave frequency people think best (theta etc). Any thoughts?

[loony28]

:twisted: It's a good idea. If EMG does use this idea I would suggest a tame file, like to help people achieve trance easier. EMG would also have to post a warning somewhere that there is subliminal music playing on the site so people can have a chance to turn off their speakers. :twisted:

[sandy82]

[jeremiah]

Yes and other people could use it to get back at people they dislike. Say, "hey listen to this awesome song" and they will but they dont know whats happening.

[sandy82]

[johnbohnrevenge]

[demigraff]

[MRV35]

[davelowe1977]

[sandy82]

[sandy82]

[davelowe1977]

Sandy, I read with much interest your analysis of the current legal conditions with respect to subliminal files and see your point. Clearly the situation is rather cloudy varying from juristiction to juristiction, not just for the US, but also across the wider world also.

I suppose the essential legal question is: is it illegal to produce a subliminal recording per se, or just illegal to produce a subliminal file where people who listen to it are not aware of the hidden content. In the latter case, we would be in the clear by looping a clear disclaimer over the music I suspect.

There may also be lack of clarity over the intention and purpose of the subliminal message. For example, there is a wide gulf between a file that encourages a sense of wellbeing and a file that promotes murder.

It just seems such a shame that we probably can't proceed with this idea when every attempt at fairplay has been observed, but I fully agree that we could not and should not ask EMG to shoulder the responsibility.

As an aside: a person listing their location as Preston, UK, would almost certainly mean Preston, Lancashire. I note there is a Preston, Connecticut, not, it would seem, a very original name!

[sandy82]

[demigraff]

[johnbohnrevenge]

...I wonder where Trance01 has gone to in all this?

[sandy82]

[Trance01]

Hi everyone, I have been having a few internet problems but they are sorted now. Just for the record all that "victim" stuff was just my sick sense of humor, I wasnt being serious(dont want people thinking im like that).

Anyway, looks like alot of people like the idea. But there are all the copywright laws that could prevent this. i have been trying to make some of my own subliminal programs but i am not to good with computers :oops: .

Mainly the reason i thought up the idea was to make it more entertaining to listen to the subliminals, not so i could use them on someone to my advantage (honest).

Thanks to everyone who has made offers to make these files. :D

[sandy82]

Trance, it was refreshing to hear something clear for a change. People know you meant no harm. I'd much prefer to read your first post than to hear another chirpy voice on the radio say that "McDonald's hamburgers are good for you." :wink:

As you've probably read, demigraff is planning to get the information that came with Endorfun, and I bet there's some information out there if people like Steve Halpern are selling Muzak-type subliminal tapes through record/tape/CD outlets.

One of the key points is that a general notice of subliminal content is probably not enough--since the products demigraff and I discovered had the full subliminal contents spelled out. When you think about it, a general notice is like going to the pharmacy to get some over-the-counter medication, and you discover that the label on the package says: "Warning. Some of the contents may be disagreeable to you, but we don't tell you what the contents are."

Full and complete disclosure is the best defense. Food processors and tobacco companies disliked the labeling requirements when they were first introduced. Now they realize that those labels save them from many complaints.

The makers of "San Andreas Fault" are discovering, with their most recent edition, the pitfalls of not disclosing all the contents.

Glad your Internet problems are solved! :)

[johnbohnrevenge]

[Trance01]

yeah sorry about that "yes mabey thing" i did put in a third option of "no, im happy with what there is" but for some reason it didnt show up 8O . Im not too good with forums :P .

[sandy82]

I can't comment this morning. I have an excuse. The dog ate my homework.

[slavekaye]

subliminals are great :)

[marki1p]

Some subliminal files are already posted on the site. If the subliminal message is hidden behind the sound of rain or similar, it doesn't make it much different from a subliminal message hidden behind a song.
I could tell someone that listening to the sound of rain is soothing or such if I'd wanted this person to listen to the subliminal message.
What do you think?

[BobbyS]

I don't want to sound over-simplistic here (which means I probably will), but I really don't see the ethical problem of songs with subliminal messages on the site, as long as the files have some tag, or description that identifies them as subliminal and points you to somewhere where you can read all the suggestions. Playng music on the background of the main site is a bad idea as the human race are dopey sods and most of us won't see the 'Subliminals playing - you may want to switch off your speakers' message unless it's shown in neon lights next to a pole dancer or two. Obviously there's still the problem of a commercial song freely available on a (mostly) free site, but that's more a litigious problem than an ethical one.

And Sandy82, your line about the "San Andreas Fault" problem - are you referring to the videogame "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" and certain 'explicit' content hidden from the normal game?

[sandy82]

[Mallic]

[goldragon_70]

It would be better if there was a program that could play two files at ones, and allow you to effect the volume of both. That way you can play any music you have with the files, and EMG wouldn't have to worry about copy protection problems.

[Mallic]

Multitasking is good for subliminals. Perferably something that distracks your consious mind. Maybe we could have subliminal guitar tip playing while you play the guitar?