The Newbies Guide to Hypnosis/Trancing

[DKaiser]

[DKaiser]

[ocntrl]

Excellent post!
The only one I would add is try trancing when you feel awake and fit. Listening when tired my just have you fall asleep rather than trance, especially with the relaxing inductions.

[uw_onsterfelijk]

Awesome work there DKaiser, nice job.

[DKaiser]

[winbb2]

Thank you for this excellent and informative post.

[DKaiser]

Added a few more questions to the list of doom(DOOOOOM!). Topics of this dump include:

Hypnotherapy vs. Recreational Hypnosis
Precautions for Recreational Hypnosis
Trance Triggers and Trance Conditioning

As before, if you think of anything that needs to be addressed, shout it out, and I'll put it up on the FAQ.

[Evangeline]

i have been trying curse hormone change, though i am well aware i wasn't full in trance (still having trouble with that) but after reading this list of very informative information. i would like to ask what kind of dangers can result from using hypnosis to alter ones hormones? meaning with kind of side effects are we talking about?

[DKaiser]

The same sorts of things that can arise from other methods of hormone altering. While it's not really my field of expertise, let's sum up by calling it the difference between an art and a science. You convince your brain to create more estrogen, lower testosterone levels. How does your brain know what is enough? Too much estrogen? Dangerously low testosterone? Not really something you have too much control over, so it's better to target effects as specifically as possible(if you want feminization effects, use feminization suggestions, not the roundabout method of hormone targeting).

It's not so much that it's a problem in and of itself, just that it has the potential for problems, when there's an easier method to deal with it. If you want the perception of the feminized body, hypnosis can just do those suggestions, whereas desire for the physical body can be done with properly measured application of hormones in a controlled manner, rather than throwing your mind at it and hoping it takes.

[saenchen]

Triggers confuse me. For instance, in the FAQ it's stated that you have to want the trigger to work...and later it's stated to be cautious against accidental triggers. How can it be voluntary in one case and not in another?

[Evangeline]

i think i can answer that saenchen picture yourself at a store, and you hear someone say your trigger, is possible that their saying it can trigger you. for example: if your trigger is say the word "dance"and you happen to be passing someone talking about dance and you hear that word, well you will probably be triggerd

[Liann]

[saenchen]

Thanks for the reply. I am still a little lost..maybe it'll help if I give an example.

Lets say I trigger myself to always lift my pinky when drinking from a glass (making this up, of course). The trigger is whenever I grasp a glass, I instinctually raise my pinky.

If I want it to work then of course I will everytime but what if I want it to work and simply don't feel like it at a certain momment. I don't want to raise my pinky THIS one time. Will I find myself doing it anyway? or no?

[DKaiser]

[saenchen]

Thank you for the answer. Can anyone point me in the direction of a good "curse" file? Not one I want to go under from but can learn from? or maybe have some phrase suggestions they can post (no pun intended :) )

[DKaiser]

I'll throw you a PM, to keep the thread from getting off-topic(normally I wouldn't mind, but since he mods were nice enough to sticky it...)

Also threw up a question in the first post about what to do if you're not going very deep. It gives general tips and tricks in the absence of a trigger to do it for you(or to teach your mind how to go deep so the trigger does what it's supposed to).

[Liann]

[craigK]

hey dkaiser gr8 post
very interesting reading

i have a genral question about anxiety and trance/hypno
If you have been listerning to file for a while and just started to have some results ie the files r working.And u get a buzz from this
why is the that u can suffer from eother a panic attack or anxiety,either the next day or days later?

Following what u said of accepting what the file is about and being ok with that,and seeing the changes and thinking its more than u ever expected.
why then does the body/mind have a anxiety attack??

I understand that hypno is about letting go n giving up control,so would this be a pointer to the reasons for it happening.
Hard question i know but any info into this would be gr8 for the group if u can
thanks

[DKaiser]

For starters, I have to make the required comment about spelling and text-speak, but I think I can understand what you said...

This tends to be dependent on the person using the files: It's not a very common reaction. Where you'll see such things is with someone who's motivations tend to shift around a lot(for instance, getting really into the heat of the moment, then wondering why you got so worked up after the fact). In this case, it's just that your mind isn't quite made up about whether you actually want the effects or not. While it's easy to rationalize away when just starting out, once effects start happening, that doesn't work anymore, leading to the anxiety.

I could probably give a more detailed look at it if you could PM me what files in particular were being listened to, but for a general outlook, just let your mind come to terms with what the file does, rather than seeing a file that looks nice and immediately going off to trance with it.

[SissyBoyBrian]

Hi i'm a newbie to hypno but been interested in trying some for a good while now so want the suggestions and triggers to take hold. My question though is how many files can you listen to in any given period? If say i'm listening to two or three different files a day will they take hold as easily as only one a day or possibly have a cancelling each other out effect? Also there are ten plus at least files i want to use so how often should i rotate listening to them all to get best results for the suggestions and triggers to take hold and stay and not diminish with time. I hope my questions made sense lol.

[DKaiser]

Depends on if they reinforce each other. A file to improve suggestibility and a file to help go deeper into trance mix well together; files that are entirely unrelated to each other tend to distract and make them not as effective.

My suggestion is to start with the file that most interests you, and get it working well, then move on to other files. Once you've got one down, the others become easier, and so forth.

[SissyBoyBrian]

Well they're all fetish files and geared towards my submissive side so i think they should reinforce and compliment each other. I'll get some files to help with suggestability and deepen the trance state also to try help me take them in though. Thanks for the advice-this forum has been good for information,keep up the good work.

[nauru]

How does the mind handle contradicting training? If a person listens to one file that reinforces the suggestion that his penis is getting bigger than ever it was before (woah!) and then listens to another file that suggests his penis is shrinking away to almost nothing (woah!), and just to keep it fair, this dude (presumably) listens to each file the same number of times with the same duration between, and in general has the same level of focus on listening to each file... which file wins?

Now, that example aside, how about with triggers? If two triggers contradict... let us say one trigger has been firmly installed (maybe a trigger to make a person stop moving for five minutes), and then two years after that trigger became firmly installed, the person starts installing a new trigger that when spoken makes it impossible to stop moving for 10 minutes. Will listening to the second trigger to keep moving, with enough effort, eventually override the older trigger to stop moving? Will the potential conflict outcome only be seen when the two triggers are both used simultaneously? Or will the practice of thinking "I can be made to not stop moving" slowly erode the power that the trigger saying "I can be forced to stop moving" has?

Is it all tied to what a person wants more? Is that why a curse is considered dangerous, in that it attempts to alter your perception of (or actual) wants that you have? How about conflicting curses? My initial impression of curses is that they only have as much power as you want them to have, on some level, so two curses could not ever be in even or fairly weighted conflict because your mind is already made up about what you really want. But if a curse slowly changes your mind about what you want, then what would happen to the previous curse conflicting with the new curse?

For more concrete examples, if I were to say get both trigBlowjob working, and trigWoman working, really well, separately, and then said both at once, is there any predicting what would happen? I am not close to getting either working at a level where the effects of contradiction would be really interesting, so hopefully we won't have to wait for me to try it :)

[DKaiser]

[nauru]

Thanks for the reply.

I do not think I would go out and choose to train on two opposing files by conscious thought. But it seems reasonable to use one for a little while, then switch to another which may conflict with the first. And that would be even more of an issue with a curse since it would tend to last longer.

Anywho... it is all very interesting! :D

[pimp951231]

WOW epic post. Thanks help alot

[YofBooty]

Much thanks for all this helpful information

[private_lock]

Hello DKaiser!

First the easier question: I was hoping to read a comment on "shows":

Imagine a "magician" hypnotizing 10 "randomly" chosen people from the audience, he's "never" seen before. Is it realistic: can he bring them one by one or all together into trance and immobilize them for a few minutes? Can he make them perform little tricks, say play air-guitar or cut vegetables without them knowing afterwards?

Can this truly work? As you see by me placing marks, I strongly doubt it and suspect the subjects to be preselected, maybe even bribed to play along. I'd just love to get a second opinion on that.

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Second question: What about time spans and time limits installed in files? I don't question them in general, so suppose, I'm normally quite OK and originally want them to take effect.

Short term: The file might say: keep stroking your penis for at least an hour before you're allowed to cum. Well an hour can be pretty long ... I imagine, that one day in the middle I sort of "wake up", look at the clock and say, now lets get over with this and finish me off to orgasm.

a) Of course, I don't expect hypnosis to turn me into an atomic clock, so the hour will only be my best estimate. But will I be able, to break the spell significantly earlier than I personally think, the hour is over?
b) Will such a "fail" just be a single event, not touching the overall effectiveness of the hypnosis or will it diminish its future repetitions?
c) Can this be attributed to the hypnosis not being deep enough (too early, to expect reliable results) or having worn out (kind of getting forgotten over time)? Is there a life cycle as I currently assume?
d) What if I cannot orgasm right away? Will it boost the effect, so the next time I recall, I couldn't break the spell last time and won't try again? Kind of a learning effect?

Mid term: Say a chastity hypnosis ends after x weeks/month.
e) Should I better mark the date in my calendar or will I somehow "feel" when it's over, maybe adding a few days, just to be sure?
f) What about an ultimatum? Say, the chastity curse can only be removed within x weeks/month and will thereafter become permanent? Will that date pass unnoticed or will I make a big fuss about it?

At first I thought, the mention of the possibility of a removal contradicts the purpose of a curse. But now I start to see, how viciously this reinforces the curse seeing the only chance of removal ticking away until the time is up.

In the long run: What is keeping the hypnosis reliably alive?
g) Do I have to listen to the file constantly over and over again forever? Or will the installed effect (once working properly) sustain itself?
h) Will I still consciously recognize: "This was my old hypnosis-modification" and remember, there were times far away before the install, when it wasn't normal to me? Or won't I even think about it any more?
i) Will the memory of those other times fade away? Or does the hypnosis explicitly have to cancel that memory out? Can hypnosis do that?

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Finally: I found it very surprising, that analysis of the concepts and mechanics of the brain does not hinder hypnosis to take effect on me. It's like repairing and driving cars. You can do one or the other at any time. In fact I suppose understanding can even further the deepness of effects.

Time to go to bed for me ... but maybe I'll listen to my current hypnosis once more right now *g*

private_lock

[demigraff]

[Jadit]

"I want 10 volunteers to step forward" could be 1 suggestion on its own :wink: This could tell that those people are hypnotizable, having state of mind excited and willing to follow orders. Getting to perform in front of large audience, would you not be excited?

[Hypnon00b]

[Angel3052]

Well, I'm trans, and I was wondering, is it actually possible for hypnosis or any of these to cause actual physical changes over time? And if so, could you recommend ones you would consider safe to me, if its not too much trouble? I am an MTF. Please and thank you for your time. Because I saw you mention it can be unsafe before, so I just wanted to know for sure. I am kind of hopeful since I don't have any money to see therapists and and endocrinologist and so on.

[Endo]

It's possible to affect your body with hypnosis. But for what you are doing, it'd be better to do it the "normal" way. It's better to have it done professionally through routine, proven measures, than through something experimental that not a lot of people are going to be able to assist if something doesn't work right.

[Alien4420]

[tinman123]

You may have answered this question somewhere on here, but as I can't find it, I'll ask again.
1) Is it possible that someone cannot be hypnotized or go into trance? Or is it really just a practice thing?
2) I am using Trance Training (Vive) and although it feels like I am definitely going into trance, I do not have any problem moving my legs at the end. Also, I always listen to the files before I try to use them. I'm just not trusting enough to use a file without hearing it first. Is that a problem?
3)I am one of those adult ADD people, do you know if that creates a problem? It is really hard to turn off my brain totally. I have to say its a lot better now than when I started trying. I just don't think I'm the whole way there.

Any information or help would be appreciated. Thanks!!

[Endo]

Practice. You should even practice your practicing...

Not familiar with that file, and I've always considered myself rather resistant to trance files, but I always felt glued down after EMG's "Orgasm Torture", quite strongly... Perhaps take a look at that one to practice accepting suggestions for immobilization?

Again, practice! However, there are stories from others with the same disorder, and they say that they struggle with this stuff. I'm sorry I can't point to any records ATM, but that's generally what I've experienced. Again, keep going at it, research what others "like you" do to curb it without drugs, there might be some mental techniques. Look into some meditation? I think my TaeKwonDo master used to have attention problems, then he started TKD. Perhaps a martial art may help? Just throw everything at it, and you might get lucky, in hypnosis, and maybe in reducing symptoms overall. With enough training, it MAY be possible to create a state of good focus and relaxation while under trance, and then link that into a trigger or set it as a default mental state. Perhaps.

I hope you managed to make it through that almost-wall of text.

[Alien4420]

[tinman123]

Thanks for the great info. I think I do go into the light trance. It feels like it anyway. And I've just started so I guess patience is the key here.
I will try the Bubble induction and see how that works. I do actually repeat what is said in my head and it does seem to help.
Thanks again...I'll keep at it.

[Endo]

If it seems to help, but you SHOULD be letting go of what's being said. Just let go of everything, if possible.

[tinman123]

I tried without concentrating on what is being said...and it seems like "lost time". I wouldn't say exactly say it felt like sleep but it almost seemed like it. Sleeping is not good correct? So I am aiming for something between sleeping and being so awake that I am concentrating too much. It seems like a rather fine line to walk. I am closer to where I need to be it feels like so I will keep at it. Thanks again for the input.

[Alien4420]

[Endo]

I don't think it's sleeping, it's probably amnesia or dissociation, both of which are well documented. Keep doing that for a while, and see where it takes you. It used to happen to me with files all the time after a while, and I'm not sure how that worked for me.

[Kcenv]

New member here looking for advice

Im getting down to 4 or 5 pretty easily now, and body locks seem to work really well...

Ive tried Trig woman, Trig woman 2 and change to woman, all as nice safe looking files.

And havent had any effect.

The only thing that has worked consistently is an online partner has gotten me to body lock very easily and consistently.

But phantom touches, hallicinations and fantasies dont seem to quite click.

My newest test is starting the files up as IM really sleepy, late and night or early in the morning.

any advice?

[Alien4420]

Most suggestions work when you're in a light or medium trance, but hallucinations require a deep trance. So it seems you've chosen some fairly advanced files. You might want to practice with bubble induction, going into a deep trance is a skill that can be learned.

[Kcenv]

[Alien4420]

I'm afraid I'm not the best person to ask about that since I've never listened to any nice, safe files. :-) All of the feminization files I've listened to were designed to have permanent effects. From what you say, I don't they're what you want. Maybe you should ask on the feminization forum?

[Kcenv]

[Endo]

Bubble's great. I heartily recommend it to anyone who's looking into "trainer" files. Just be careful about advertising the fact that you've listened to it in chat rooms.

[Alien4420]

[IWANTHOTDOG]

Sigh this stuff just doesn't work. I simply can't be hypnotized. I've been trying for years with no success. Apparently I do have some of the symptoms of a trance once in a while, but suggestions have 0 affect on me. I think I'm done with all of this.