A file that makes you

[maskedsow]

Would anyone be willing to make a file that helps improve drawing would this be possible to make would happly pay for your time.

I apologise if this is posted in the wrong section

faithfully

pony

[cardigan]

Well, it isn't possible via hypnosis to improve talent as such. The ability to see in your mind how to create a piece of art in one way or another. That's a gift of nature for those who can. (I - for instance can't).

But once you have the brilliant idea you need to have it come to life on paper, rock, glass or anything. Same thing whether you are a painter, sculpter or something entirely different. This takes concentration of the mind, hand/eye coordination, a steady hand, lots of energy, determination and a solid belief in your own abilities to boot. And these are skills that can be improved via hypnosis. I already created a file called "Artist's Resolve" to help an artist stop from procrastinating and to get his work finished and out there - on display. I don't know if you tried it? The file works and I could certainly make another file to improve the above skills - because these are skills - meaning they can be improved with training - be it mental or real.

PM me if anybody wants to talk about files they dream up - wondering if they're possible or not. I can tell you if things are possible.

[Wildsprite]

I disagree, anything the Subconscious can conceive and believe it will achieve and lets face it, what is proper hypnosis, its guidance for the Subc, trying to convince people something isn't possible is rather arrogant to me, why not tell them,its probably possible but I am not sure how to do it? why does everyone forget there is more to the mind than logic and science? this can be done if worded right

[steve14]

the script writer should read "drawing on the right side of the brain "to get ideas for how a artist sees - thinks about art to draw , the op might want to try reading the book and taking the class as well it claims anyone can draw , i had a good time and learned to draw when i took it..

[cardigan]

Hypnosis can enhance anything you can LEARN. Making you learn much faster and better. But art isn't just technique - is it? There's that thing called talent too.

I can make somebody believe they're Michelangelo. No problem! But will he be able to do the Sistene Chapel? I doubt it.

[steve14]

[BobbyS]

Oh get real, people. If people didn't have their heads in the clouds about what hypnosis can or can't do then maybe there wouldn't be so many posts asking for help getting hypnosis to work for them.

Look, I'm not saying hypnosis can't help you with your talents - if you're a really good painter but you get nervous painting a live model leading to shaky hands, I'm perfectly sure hypnosis can help there. But if you don't have the talent in the first place, hypnosis won't magically give it to you, it could only motivate you.

I love hypnosis as much as the next man, but for God's sake people, get your heads screwed on.

[sunray_2]

It should be possible to associate a positive stimulus, like for example a deep satisfaction, when you realize how much your drawing practice changed your viewing habits and enhanced your perceptiveness, as you began effortless to sketch in your mind scenes you saw as a very stimulating mental exercise.

[Mino]

[steve14]

[Wildsprite]

[BobbyS]

[sunray_2]

I really don't think it is that hopeless. Sure, a file telling you that you are an accomplished artist will only set you up for failure, should the suggestions take hold at all.

Drawing however starts with learning to look at things properly and continues with practice, and a file that lowers your inhibitions (i can't draw, it needs a divine spark that i didn't get), motivates you to practice mentally ( since i have a few spare minutes anyway, i could as well sketch the surroundings in my mind ) and practically ( let's see whether it really looks on paper like i worked it out ), could do a lot for people who are used to produce mental images due to a hypnosis fetish.

After you have developed your inner reprograph, you are likely to read up on different styles anyway.

[Wildsprite]

I did not say to give them false hope, only to not create doubt, giving someone false hope is coming in and saying in no uncertain terms "yeah it can be done" where as creating doubt is saying things like "this cant be done" or "impossible" you don't have to create false hope nor discourage someone

and yeah the cockhead decapitation file made me tilt my head and think "am I really seeing this? why would someone want such a thing, it makes more sense to just try to make your penis shrink entirely"

while I agree that some things are insane and maybe a bit out there I do not believe anything on that page is not possible, I think if the person wants it bad enough and the tist knows how to word it ANYTHING is possible, thats not to say they will get what they are looking for from here

[missypuss]

Watched the debate with interest. Wouldnt one say that all art is subjective anyhow?

Just look at Damien Hirsts work, or Tracey Emmins for a case in point!!

[Wildsprite]

[sunray_2]

[maskedsow]

oopd diddnt mean to start a debate sorry i meant something to help with procrastination and self doubt in my mind and help me see more like a artist in terms of shape and tone, i have drawing with the right side of the brain and have read it but found it helped a great deal but just need that extra bit of confidence really will start trying that file you recomended thankyou will see how it goes thanks for all your replies

[steve14]

[quote="maskedsowsomething to help with procrastination and self doubt in my mind and help me see more like a artist in terms of shape and tone, i have drawing with the right side of the brain and have read it but found it helped a great deal[/quote]

seeing like a artist is the reason i suggested the book i took a class with it and was amazed i went from stick figures that would embarrass a 3rd grader to doing portraits that looked like my subject ... good luck with your quest to be a better artist and who knows maybe this debate will help find a hypnotist that understand the perceptual side of art and can help you out...

[BobbyS]

[loony28]

[BobbyS]

[Henrique]

[Wildsprite]

this thread should be closed due to the continuing arguments
due to certain bold opinions this thread is not a civilized conversation anymore

[BobbyS]

Well I mean like I say, I've conceded the argument anyway.

However, don't quit on my part - the argument may be getting lively and passionate, but at least nobody's mother, penis size or sex life has been called into question. That and nobody's actually sweared yet. In that respect at least the argument's civilized. Like I say though, I give up - I plainly can't convince you and loony.

[BobbyS]

Oh and bold opinion? I've been the only one who's stuck to logic and fact so far without irrationally hypothesising.

[steve14]

i have no problem with logic science or the separation of fact from fantasy and hallucination from reality .. this is a post about drawing and drawing ability is a learn able skill with a large perceptual element, the brain mind does the perceiving and therefore is improvable with a script that understand and works on artistic perceptions and skills .. as for the rest of the mind over matter arguments there are way to many of them to separate each one into reality/hallucination, fact/fantasy , possible/improbable .....

[Wildsprite]

there oughta be a separate section for the arguments of what can and cant happen

[Wildsprite]

[Lobotaru]

I'm an artist, and I can honestly tell you that you can improve your ability to visualize and think in 3d. Hypnosis will not instantly make you better at it, but using it for visualization exercises with positive encouragement would most definitely help in the long term.
As for actually improving your artistic skills, hypnosis can help increase your confidence, your focus, and ability to ignore excess stimuli, but you probably won't suddenly find yourself drawing like Rembrandt. Well, unless you are naturally skilled and were just doubting your abilities all along.

[BobbyS]

[cardigan]

Exactly!

[steve14]

[busboy]

Gotta agree with Cardigan . . .
Can hypnosis help me practice playing the guitar? Yes. Can it make me a guitar player without practicing? No.
I could see a file helping you gain confidence in your skills, or allowing you to focus, or things such as that. But hypnosis giving you "talent"? That implies the talent is inherently inside you, and just needs to be unlocked. That assumes everybody is inherently talented at everything.

[steve14]

OK i may be wrong but i was in a class with a half dozen non artists with no talent and no skill after taking the class all 6 did a portrait that any one who saw them would say they had skill nobody was going to be confused with rembrandt yet we all could draw a portrait that looked like the subject all six drawings would easily pass for being done by an artist. we all spent time we all practiced we all studied to see the way a artist sees(the biggest hurdle for non drawers and the mental perceptual side of drawing) ..nobody asked for a miracle pill it just a request for a file that helps develop the ability to draw

[cardigan]

Well, first of all: who's saying none of the 6 had any talent whatsover? Of course they did, or why else enroll in an art class. That being said the art of drawing or painting - or sculpting - are all in part craftsmanships. You learn how to hold a brush or pencil. You learn about perspective, shades and all the things that combine to make a drawing. A lot of this is a craft which will improve on tutoring and practise. But hypnosis cannot be a substitute for this kind of teaching. Hypnosis can - however - break down the resistance holding back somebody from trying to make an effort. With hypnosis you can certainly speed up the learning process, increase the mental concentration in the work of art and so forth. It's sort of like the art of making a cupboard. Most people can buy a cupboard they have to assemble in IKEA, for instace (I don't know if you have them in the US, but they are pretty big in Europe. They specialise in affordable, yet smart furniture, that you have to assemble yourself). You get the cardboard boxes home, you go through them and study the plans, and then slowly you assemble the cupboard. Whereas an artist sees something that has not yet been created, thinks up design and functionality of this new cupboard that he wants to make and goes to the lumberyard, buys the materials and sets forth. And then someday his cupboard - unique in design - is ready. Hypnosis can certainly nurture an artistic mind and make it even better or faster at creating unique things, but it cannot transform somebody without that base ability into doing it.

So take an artist or anybody with an inch of talent, and hypnosis can help bring it out, help conquer inhibitions that stand in the way of the artist and so forth. It can help, but it can't create.

Just my 2 cents.

[steve14]

- are all in part craftsmanship. You learn how to hold a brush or pencil. You learn about perspective, shades and all the things that combine to make a drawing. --cardigan
the class dealt with seeing like a artist developing the way you look at a subject if you look the way a artist looks you see the perspective and shading and can put it down on paper it did not deal with creativity only the ability to draw a accurate picture of whats in front of you .- i think we took the class in part because of the claim that any one can learn to draw if your interested in creating a file or learning to draw check out drawing on the right side of the brain. the op has said he read the book and found it very helpful.... we all may have more inherent talent than anyone suspects . fun topic but nuf said for me...

[notyou]

As a side note, has anyone here read "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain?" Betty Edwards's thesis is that proper artistic effort requires a trance-like state that modifies the way you see the world. She has instructions on how to achieve that state. The results are somewhat similar to hypnosis, but it's different in that it utterly neutralizes that inner voice in the back of your head. In fact, even speaking takes some effort.

If you've never tried it, I'd recommend checking it out. It's like an artist's high. I've yet to figure out how to use it as an induction.

[Blink]

[Kharon]

[Cade]

i adore artist resolve, given i haven't listened to it in a while, but i must disagree, yes it may not be possible to improve someone's talent through hypnosis, but theres more than just talent and the know how (like proportions) its called passion for your art, when someone puts their hardest effort forth into their artwork, it dosen't matter how crappy, or how badly he or she layed it out, if they put their heart into it, the rest doesn't matter, and you will see and feel how much someone worked on this piece. THAT is what matters, the feeling behind the art, without that art is a soulless boring picture. same goes for hypnosis itself! if you do not capture the listener with a good pallet of words using correct amount of love for what you do, the higher chances that said listener may fall under to you. stop me if you dis agree, because i'll debate all day on art ;)