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by **makidas** » June 28th, 2005, 11:18 pm

Ok, hi everyone! This thread is for everyone to post their religious questions/rants/debates. This is basically supposed to be a combination of the HeyGuys thread (and the one before it), the Morality thread, and the Is this Satanic thread. Before anyone asks, no I am not of the cloth or the opposite. I disagree with Christianity because the concept of absolute good is as ridiculous as the concept of absolute left, or the absolute center of a circle or an absolutely perfect circle. What I'm getting at is there is no absolute. Christians tend to focus more on proselytizing than they do actually practicing what they preach (note: this is just a personal observation). The way I look at it is when you try to convince people how great your faith is, it just shows you doubt your faith personnally and are trying to prove it to yourself. Now the satanists, the concept of absolute evil is just as preposterous. I know satanists don't necessarily believe in satan (if you follow Mr. Anton LaVey's teaching's that is). To me, note I'm not a satanist, this religion makes alot more sence than Christianity as a whole. Something about the animal instincts of humans appeals to me. But I digress, a person with a hateful heart misses out on a lot of great things that life has to offer.

Anyways, religious nuts post away! (I can think of one in particular) Have fun kids!

This boy has Tumo-sifilis-itis-osis.
For just 500 more dollars we can heal this boy!
Oh wow it looks like we'cve readhed our goal!
God really appreciates it people, he can really use your money, apparently he forgot he's god and if he really wanted to he could create as much as he wants.
Now let the healing begin!
Demons OUT! FWAP!
Now how do you feel son?
How the hell do you think I feel, you just slapped me in the face!
Are your demons healed?
What demons?
Are you healed son?
I was never sick to begin with.
By god! He's healed.
(Everyone starts shouting PRAISE the LORD)
Oh lordy lordy gawd lordy gawd lordy gawd gawd lordy.

by **BobbyS** » June 29th, 2005, 5:38 am

I have to say I disagree that satanism makes more sense than christianity, neither has one reason to support it over the other, and if you believe what one religion believes, surely you believe the other, though you don't follow its teachings. (Satan needs God as God needs Satan.)
It is interesting though how lots of 'christians' go to church every Sunday and at Easter and Christmas, but aren't necessarily very nice people. 'Good' people are those who support charities, help those in need and are prepared to inconveniance themselves to help others.
The difference, by comparison, is that if you are a 'real' satanist, surely you cannot be 'good' in that sense.
As for me, I am who I am and I'm honest about it. If God does exist, then he can't ask more than that. If he did, I'd be lying about myself and that would be breaking a commandment. Long story short, if I'm on the path to hell, there's little I can do about it.

by **Mortal** » June 29th, 2005, 6:20 am

BobbyS,
Good Observation. I too believe a good person is not marked by the words that come from his mouth but the quality of his character. A good person does give selflessly. I guess there is no room for improvement in your life though Bobby? You never learn anything new or improve upon anything?

Makidas
I agree Christins worry too much about preaching and not enough about practicing what they preach. I feel the string urging that all this is geared to me... I wonder where that comes from?
I don't know if I'll post in this thread anymore it kind of bores me.

by **BobbyS** » June 29th, 2005, 6:24 am

Oh, I'm not saying I can't improve. If I find a way to help someone I do it. If someone convinces me that something I'm doing is wrong, I'll change. However, the person that I am, that can't be changed is what may be doomed to hell or not.

by **sandy82** » June 29th, 2005, 8:50 am

by **makidas** » June 29th, 2005, 8:57 am

Just a quick note, satanists don't necessarily worship satan. The reason I say the religion makes more sence to me is because I'm not a generally cheerful person, I can identify with them more. One who lives their life without worry or hate is blind. But like I said before, one who lives their life with only hate can never truly enjoy some of the great things life has to offer. Satanists do not require Christianity to exist, if you don't believe me, check out www.thechurchofsatan.com. All for now.

by **loadedkaos** » June 29th, 2005, 10:05 pm

by **Mortal** » June 30th, 2005, 5:44 am

loadedkaos,
First a correction. Thou shalt no kill is actually Thou shalt not murder.

War is a tricky thing. Many Christians believe it to be justified in a battle of Good vs Evil. Many others believe it is never justified. If you are honestly asking the question, Jesus made it clear wars would happen until his return. The world would become as "like the days of Noah" where sin was rampant and the Christians will be persecuted. (paraphrasing). Christ will then return and cut the evil servant (Anti-Christ) to pieces.

Personally, I have to agree with you in theory. If we as a nation were "enlightened" enough then we should not engage in war. However, we have failed to achieve this enlightenment and so war is going to happen. As for the current war, we are engaged already. To retreat now would be to lose. Someone could make a strong argument that we never should have entered the war but it's too late for that now. To me there is no excuse to surrender now.

by **loadedkaos** » June 30th, 2005, 10:43 am

by **Mortal** » June 30th, 2005, 1:04 pm

I actually couldn't agree with you more. God gave each person free will and no one has the right to take that away. I disagree with most legislation (religous or otherwise) as it really doesn't change hearts or minds and doesn't protect anyone, but, just creates criminals. Thus the saying you can't legislate morality. Their are a few subjects that walk a fine line on this with me. One is abortion. Abortion I believe to be murder (which is based on my religion) but I have no proof that a baby is alive before the end of the first trimester. As a result I think this is what the law should be. That if life can be sustained outside the womb then it should be sustained inside the womb.

However, Since the communist party was brought up in a negative context let me post this for posterity. If you think communism is a bad thing then please feel free to read the Communist Goals as entered into the Library of Congress in 1963. Read them and let me know where the commuists would stand on the issues we have discussed.
[url]http://www.worldnewsstand.net/history/Communist_Goals.htm[/url]

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