How Many Here Believe in UFO's?

by **drydreamer** » July 15th, 2005, 6:35 am

Do you know what the SECOND most viewed and discussed topic on the internet is behind SEX? It's UFO's! Yes, there are almost as many people who believe that UFO's are space ships as there are who enjoy porno! 8O Can you believe that?! It's hard for me to grasp, because I have been TRYING to believe in UFO's for most of my life, but still can't see much concrete evidence for them. Wouldn't it be great if UFO's really WERE space ships from another planet or dimension?! Just think of the new frontiers that would be opened up for us to pollute. But if they ARE real, why are the space aliens hiding from us out there in Area 51? They traversed many light years of space to come here - and what for? Their technology is far in advance of ours, so why are they afraid of us? Why don't they just go on TV and announce that they're gonna kick lots of ass and take names later? And if they are slowly leaking little tidbits of alien technology to our government (as is alleged) where are the results of this? I don't see any anti-gravity vehicles floating around my neighborhood. Why are we still risking the lives of our astronauts in those antiquated space shuttles when the aliens can take them up there to the space station in five minutes? Why are we even continuing to build the International Space Station? It doesn't make much sense to me. So what do you guys think about this? Or would you rather talk about sex? :lol: drydreamer

by **missypuss** » July 15th, 2005, 7:46 am

I dont think there are Aliens so much Drydreamer as forms of alternate worlds which we cant see because we are not equipped enough to see them ... I think the space station , and your governments zealousattitude to getting you guys up there, boils down to two things.. A/ Were fucking up the planet and perhaps they know more than we do about how long its got before it shakes us all off like the pesky parasites we are and B/ Doesnt your president want to Rule the world??? and by that he would want a piece of space aswell?? :wink:

by **drydreamer** » July 15th, 2005, 9:02 am

My dear Missypuss, I am proud to announce that I DID NOT vote for my sorry president! I think he wishes he could rule the world, but he has to settle for heaping more fame (or infamy) or the Bush family legacy. Usually I don't really care about politics that much, but I was actually very angry when I learned that he had once again managed to barely win the presidency! :evil: He is very full of himself, and I am very embarrassed to have such a president over my country. Furthermore, it is my contention that the US government intelligence agencies are actually too INEPT to hide space aliens from the public. They couldn't hide Monica Lewinsky, so how are they going to hide ET? I think there never were any space aliens or space ships, and the UFO enthusiasts need to get a life or try having more sex. I'm not sure I understand what you said about alternate beings, so maybe you would be nice enough to explain further. If it has to do with alternate universes, I do understand that concept. drydreamer

by **makidas** » July 15th, 2005, 9:20 am

by **missypuss** » July 15th, 2005, 10:05 am

My Dear Drydreamer!! Forgive me if u thought I was suggesting u voted for or indeed even liked your president: ( I most certainly was not even thinking about that when I responded to your post) You have Bush & we have Blair... Care to swap...lol!! Yes alternate realities is what I meant :Have you read Phillip Pullmans "Subtle Knife" Trilogy... I guess that gives you kind of an idea of where I am (alternatively) coming from. I have also just (tried) to read and digest "the Universe in a Nutshell" and kinda liked the idea of Branes .... or at least as much of them as I could understand???? I agree that if there were Aliens then wed have heard by now..!! I still stand by the commment that the reason everyones so eager to get into space is cos they know far more about how quickly , our planet as we know it is dying, and they want to be able to put all the most (Yawn) "Powerful people" up there... :?: when it inevitably happens!!! :twisted:

by **VeryGnawty** » July 15th, 2005, 10:13 am

by **drydreamer** » July 15th, 2005, 10:28 am

I'm glad to see that you are taking the time to actually read books about the alternate world theory, Missypuss. So far, my reading on the subject has only been science fiction, but I'll look for Pullman's trilogy. That's probably fiction too, isn't it. Alternate worlds and UFO's are both the same type of subject: If you believe it, you see evidence; and if you don't believe it, you don't see any evidence. But of course, that kind of evidence is completely subjective; and I'm looking for OBJECTIVE proof. I often tell a little joke to my friends who are non-believers which goes: Making jokes about space aliens is so much fun because they never show up at my door to complain! And I think it's interesting that the people who are voting YES in my poll are not posting any comments. drydreamer

by **loadedkaos** » July 15th, 2005, 11:29 am

If you have a mind towards the occult many people think that they are modern day ferries playing tricks on us, which is why there is no concrete evidence yet. This seems plossible because both myths have similarites. i.e. abducting people, they come from different worlds, fey and human mating translates to alien and human mating.
There's one things that I think is interesting about abduction victims and that is they are mostly left handed. I'm not sure what that means to any one else but don't people who are left handed use the more creative side of their brain. Maybe I'm wrong. But I think aliens and the really weird ufos come from a part of our imagination that is completely autonomous of our own free will. Like a concept that we can't imaginatively control because that would betray the symbology of the concept in the brain. This is what I think happens to people when they astral project by the way. They go to a part of their imagination where they can't control the script of events and this world is where I think ets and ufos come from.

by **drydreamer** » July 15th, 2005, 12:10 pm

Thanks for the interesting comments, loadedkaos. It may be that the whole UFO phenomenon is completely in the heads of the people who think they have made contact. There may even be a correlation between the religious zealots who have stigmata on their hands and feet, and the UFO abductees who have tiny little implants in various parts of their bodies. Perhaps they actually do this damage to their own bodies while in an altered state of consciousness! In any case, I still don't believe there are any genuine space aliens or alien space ships here on this planet; and as someone else pointed out, why would they bother visiting here anyway? We are probably a very backward society compared to those on other planets. And by the way, I want to make one thing clear. I absolutely DO believe there are intelligent people on other planets; but I just don't believe they have come to visit us. Astronomers believe that there are AT LEAST 10,000,000 planets LIKE EARTH that could sustain life as we know it in this galaxy alone! And one thing we have learned scientifically is that wherever life CAN exist, it DOES exist! There are absolutely other people out there in intergalactic space somewhere! The hard evidence will come when we can finally go out there and find them. drydreamer

by **sandy82** » July 15th, 2005, 1:23 pm

by **missypuss** » July 15th, 2005, 2:30 pm

Sandy sometimes when I read some of the stuff posted by other people to what is, or starts out to be a perfectly reasonable debate .. I end up totally confused and also questioning wether Im still looking at the same topic ?? Drydreamer you can go & look up Pullmans "Subtle Knife Trilogy" but actually thinking of the controversy "Theology" brings to these forums I wonder if the books are something I should have admitted to reading.. He was denounced as a heretic and an anti religious scientist when the books first got on the b.sellers list over in UK ..Especially as they are aimed at 12yrs old and upwards.. Still the whole concept appealed to me of being able to slice through time from one place to the next.. Pullman based his ideas on Quantum Physics..... Sorry Im just a girl who likes to excercise her brain!! Why would it please you that I looked at books?? !! :? Dont girls do this where you come from?? :wink:

by **missypuss** » July 15th, 2005, 2:34 pm

Adendum... Loaded K .. I am left handed!!!! Whatever you mean by that slightly diverse comment ??

by **sandy82** » July 15th, 2005, 3:32 pm

by **Jack** » July 15th, 2005, 3:59 pm

by **gork151** » July 15th, 2005, 5:04 pm

all unidentifed flying object means is that it cant be identified could be a kite. to assume all unidentified objects are aliens may be a stretch. but maybe some are that can't be identified might be form some other civilization in the middle of the earth - would that make them aliens? and some could be from other planets. i saw some up close and personal when i was a fire look out up on mt rainier..4 of them at each quadrant and me in middle of knight by myself andd 15 miles out by trail. the even scrambled jets from mc cord air base in tacoma.. that'll fuck with a young mind.

by **sandy82** » July 15th, 2005, 6:43 pm

by **drydreamer** » July 15th, 2005, 7:20 pm

For all those who have contributed to this discussion thread, my reference to UFO's was meant as UFO's that are alleged to be spacecraft from another planet. Obviously there are UFO's that are misunderstood natural or man-made phenomena. I was not referring to any of these; and anyone who has seen the vast number of discussions about UFO's that are presently continuing on the internet would know that the term "UFO" almost always refers to alleged spacecraft from other planets or dimensions.

For Missypuss, I hereby present the following disclaimer: I DO NOT think it is at all strange for a woman to read books. My comment only referred to reading books about ALTERNATE REALITIES! Especially since you insinuated that you had actually read SCIENTIFIC books about that subject! I'm very impressed with you! Your IQ is very respectable, and I am humbled that you spent hours of your free time reading a scientific exposition on such an obscure subject! That's because I would consider such a concept SO fanciful that I would normally only read about it in fictional works. I'm also proud of the human race that there is someone out there who is taking it that seriously! Please accept my humble apologies, Missypuss, for having given you the impression that I might question your intelligence. You are welcome to spank me very hard (and I sincerely hope you find a way!) drydreamer

by **sandy82** » July 15th, 2005, 8:28 pm

by **drydreamer** » July 18th, 2005, 6:42 am

WOW! My poll is very lopsided in favor of those who believe that UFO's are from other planets or dimensions; and yet the YES people are not posting any comments! Come on you guys, why are you so shy to tell us your reasons? Have you actually seen some UFO's? If so, tell us about it. I've met people who have seen UFO's that were as big as a house, and I think they were either mistaken or they were articulating a dream or fantasy; but I did not make fun of them, and I won't make fun of you. It's a known fact that people often misinterpret what they see. drydreamer

by **missypuss** » July 18th, 2005, 10:04 am

Drydreamer. With reference to the spanking and not in any way connected to the UFO debate.. Do u prefer a hand or a paddle? :twisted:

by **drydreamer** » July 18th, 2005, 10:34 am

Missypuss! How delightful to hear from you again; especially with reference to dishing out corporal punishment! :D In this matter, I would much prefer the hand, because I know from experience that you cannot do it extremely hard that way without bruising your own hand; and I'm not into heavy pain anyway. But perhaps we should not digress from the UFO's in this direction any further without transferring our comments into personal messages. What do you think, Madame Missypuss? And surely there must be some other name you would like for me to address you by (privately, of course.) :lol: drydreamer

by **gurlbidesign** » August 1st, 2005, 5:30 am

In the very early 50s my mother worked in the aircraft industry. She was very familiar with all the latest planes being tested and flown at that time. While in the Mtns near Lake Tahoe Calif. she saw a silver disk rise up from behind a small hill next to the road and shoot away. It was unlike anything that we had in the air at the time. I believe.........

by **gork151** » August 2nd, 2005, 3:04 am

i was a fire lookout up on mt rainier on the west side right at tree level .. mt rose up right behind me and i was 15 or so miles in so no running out in middle of the night.. i was taking my last walk of night (out house) and saw a strange light in the air looked as if it were a revolving light of four colors - thought it was a heliocopter because it was pretty stationary.. went back to the lookout to listen to radio to see if it was a rescue or something - no action there so lined it up on my fire finder saw it was moving slowly against the grain as in stars going one way wind going another... and it was moving independantly... as night went on saw 3 others roughly at different points of compass....by then was in mild freak based on other things that had happened in park that summer.. radioed down said it was my job to report strange things and this was strangest any ideas... got calls all night long from buddies and others around the park telling me to switch brands - stay off the fermenting blue berries ect.. by then was in major freak mode as sliver of cold white heat came from other side of mt - the deserted side looked like classic pic of saucer -- that turned out to be the partial moon rising .. came out of look out the next day got crap from everyone till paper came out in evening the paper described it as the largest ufo sighting in area and said jets were scrambled at one point from nearest air base ( never saw them ) but was reported so became minior celb in park everyone wanted to know what i saw.. also reported lights of climbers on summit one time when no one was there ... then another time when i was little was in olympic mountains at a camp gound and about twenty people watched one of those shiny cigar shaped jobs -- both of these were pre b1 so no answer there .... i dont know what i saw in either case but hold a masters in science amoung other things and tried to find logical conclusion -- spock would have been proud.... but i saw what i saw and no good logical alternative....no reflection off of car window -- not a plane or heliocopter not a hot air balloon or garmet bag with candle .. supposedly mt rainier was site of first sighting( fun to use both words that sound the same in one sentence.

by **drydreamer** » August 2nd, 2005, 6:27 am

Thanks to the above three posters for sharing their experiences. I actually WANT to believe, but my mind is too scientific. I especially appreciate gork151 admitting that he did not really know what he saw. Perhaps that is what everyone should say after one of these sightings. Just admit you don't really know, rather than jumping to wild conclusions. I took an adult education class a few years ago, and the instructor told us he believed that UFO's were spaceships. He said that one time when he was in the Air Force, he was on a AF plane full of people and a UFO the size of a house came close by and paced the plane for some distance. He said everyone saw it, and crowded next to the windows to take in the sight. The UFO finally zoomed away at incredible speed, and when the plane landed, an Air Force general gathered them all together and ordered them not to say anything to the press. He felt it was safe to talk now because he wasn't in the Air Force anymore. The reason I don't believe this, is because he had an ulterior motive for impressing us with this sighting. The class was about paranormal phenomena. Also, I thought it was a bit TOO "hollywood." And of course, it was hear-say evidence. I've never seen any UFO's myself. Maybe if I do, I'll then be convinced. drydreamer

by **gork151** » August 2nd, 2005, 11:28 am

by the way was a lookout /ranger on rainier in the late 60s.. that was what i started to say in last post but never got around to it...

by **nicosali** » September 22nd, 2005, 1:37 pm

yes I believe in aliens

by **missypuss** » September 22nd, 2005, 1:43 pm

hmmmmn.......

by **davelowe1977** » September 23rd, 2005, 12:09 pm

by **missypuss** » September 23rd, 2005, 1:25 pm

Aww nicosali.. u edited your post..... but still i say hmmmmn.......

by **sandy82** » September 25th, 2005, 12:37 pm

by **missypuss** » September 25th, 2005, 2:16 pm

And so i am to take it Sandy that you class the movement of citizens of this planet ,
Of which we are all a resident..
As aliens?
Moving from one place to another..
I beg to differ ,
The only reason that we class other human beings as aliens is because society and our governments and religion tell us we are not equal.
They tell us we are all different and hence the term "illegal aliens"
By the way I know nothing of Claridges never having spent any time in london except when on a school trip many years ago.
But I take it from the comment you believe this is where many of the so called "aliens" end up working.
I beg to differ . Im sure a great many more (especially of the female variety) can be found working in soho.
Where thet have been taken or ended up because our society refuses to recognise them as human beings..
Post Edited 0 Times..
Speak it as you think it,And damn the consequences..xxx :twisted:

by **sandy82** » September 26th, 2005, 12:56 pm

by **missypuss** » September 27th, 2005, 12:38 am

As usual Sandy, your compliments to my contribution to this topic amuse me, on many levels..
The fact that your last post wasnt directed at me is surely neither here nor there as I always thought the point of the Forums,was to allow people to speak their minds... (In my case) :twisted: Or as in your case ,do extensive research on a topic before putting a very long and confusing point across.. :wink:
Again your comments on "not knowing wether I own a dictionary" are not worth responding to..
As are your comments on "old and arthritic fingers" Miow......hiss..
And as to your point about me allowing someone to point out that I had made a mistake (Chymos) and my relationship to him.Yes I allowed him to point out that I had made a mistake;you allude to my "relationship" as if that is the reason.No Sandy, the reason was simpler than that. He said something which I wanted clarification of the terminology of.. I asked if it meant a or b and was wrong on both points..I stood corrected
A clear case of a simple question recieving a simple answer Sandy..
Something which it appears you have difficulty getting to grips with at times....
BTW How old are you?....

by **sandy82** » September 27th, 2005, 12:28 pm

by **missypuss** » September 27th, 2005, 2:45 pm

My only answer to your comments Sandy.
Is that I have reached the conclusion that I open my mouth and run with whats in my heart.
You on the other hand seem to open your mouth and run with whats in your head.
Intuition.
Intellect.
Anything that comes across as intuitive must frustrate the hell out of anyone who enjoys intellectualising.And vice versa.
Therefore; I stick with my opinions which come from my heart. :wink:

by **Downward** » September 27th, 2005, 8:37 pm

My Theory:

First aliens will invade us, then the realms that keep us safe from outer planar beings (Demons, imps etc) will weaken and then they will enter our world making their self known in numbers. So, it will become survival of the fitist. Predicting this will happen between 2013-2015.

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