What is 'deeper'?

[Deemreo]

Any one who has ever tried a hypnosis file of any kind knows that the hypnotists almost always tells you to go deeper; "You fall even deeper", "Every number I count down brings you deeper", and so on and so forth.

I have been trying to use hypnosis files for months now; and I have never had very much success; I'll do it twice daily for a week, and not even see the slightest inkling of success.

Sometimes I'll blank out in the deepener/induction, but I'm not entirely convinced I'm not just falling asleep. Sure I wake up right at the end of the file, but it's not a gradual awakening, it's just a fairly sudden wake up; and the only reason I know that I woke up right at the end, is because my MP3 player is still on, and hasn't turned itself off yet.

However, I have a feeling that the only reason I'm actually waking up is rather the sudden change of the file stopping is waking me up. It's like when some one is sleeping and you turn off the TV or Radio and that wakes them up.

I have a feeling that I'm not going 'deep' enough; but my question is, what is 'deeper'. What am I supposed to be doing or feeling when the hypnotist tells you to go deeper? It's one of those things that's different for most people, and hard to explain, but what do you do when you go deeper?

What should I visualize? What should I feel? What should I think?

[rgn]

I am sure this varies by person. For me I get more and more relaxed, my body feel heavy and lethargic, my mind starts having fewer thoughts and focuses more on the hypnotist voice. As I am told to go deeper, my body tends to feel heavier, more relaxed, and my mind becomes even more fixated on the hypnotists voice. Depending on the file suggestions, my mind goes completely blank, only paying attention to the hypnotist (sometimes when I have this experience I do not remember any of the suggestions in the file). Or I have a strong urge to focus entirely on the hypnotist and just push stray thoughts out of the way. For me it is similar to meditation without having to concentrate on keeping the stray thoughts at bay. And it took a lot of practice with induction only files for me to get to this level of trance. And I always feel great when I come out of trance.

[CharredSoul]

[sissysara]

like you I've been trying to figure out what "deep" is for awhile now. In the 6+ months I've been playing with these hypnosis files for most of it I experienced much what you have. You either just feel really comfortable and kinda just enjoy the ride so to speak, or you zonk out completely. But either way it never felt much like what people talk about when talking about hypnosis. I bounced around between a few different files, sometimes everyday sometimes taking breaks.

Well today I didn't do much different, I loaded up Vassy's little listner where I edited out the awakener at the end cuz I like to use it as an induction, followed by MsJ's little miss squidgy panty file. I made it through listner like i usually do, feeling relaxed and slightly heavy but thats the norm. The first thing I noticed different was a couple minutes into MsJ's file was instead of just seeing the black of having my eyes shut it slowly turned into a yellowish/pinkish (she talks about pink smoke in the file) As this continued my thoughts didnt stray as much as they usuall can.

Then once she asked me to imagine a spiral, the yellowish/pinkish light kinda took on some movement, maybe me trying to image the spiral. At this point I focused in on her words intently even though I knew them by heart. As the induction part ended and the meat of the file started my ability to wander mentally was non existent and I either repeated in my head what she wanted me to repeat or thought what she wanted me to think. Then my legs and thighs began slightly spasming out of my control, and this continued for another 10 minutes. After that my head began alternating between nodding up and down and back and forth and my hands began moving out of my control. I couldnt control it, didnt want to control it, and didnt wanted to stop. I just wanted to lay there and let it happen.

After over half a year i finally got my mind blown. What I think it was, was a combination of practice and just finding the right combination of hypnotist, fetish, and file that really correlate with who you are and what you are looking for.

[ohyouknow]

[rgn]

[CharredSoul]

its not really a matter of personal preference your whole life you have associated your bed with sleep, how do you expect to change happen when that trigger is so ingrained in your subconscious mind, years upon years of that happening. doesn't mean that you won't reach trance just means that change mostly likely not be effective
if you want change quickly and effectively get up and walk around as though as if it is real get a feel what it would be like.

i remember a trainer talking about studies done how we have an anchor for angriness being associated to the body being upright and how if you stand on your head the anger will drain away, because we have never associated anger to being upside down.

so if you really want new powerful change sit in a spot where you never sit or a new spot that you have never rested before, try and not fully lay down, walk around in trance as though the change has taken place

[DKaiser]

It does kinda depend on the person. I'm bad at falling asleep on my back, but rolling over on my stomach helps quite a bit. Thus, I can trance lying back in my bed, because there's not much of a trigger set there.

[rgn]

Not really wanting to debate lying down to trance. I certainly do other things in bed besides sleep. Without issue of falling asleep.

I am really a trance junkie. One of my favorite things is to listen to a long file and trance as deep as possible. Or just floating in mindless relaxation by taking a file with a longer induction that emphasizes going very deep in trance and clearing the mind of all thought. Remove the awaken suggestion, and see how long it takes to come out of trance. I have easily gone over 30 minutes after the file ends. And its quite rejuvenating for the mind and body.

I like the suggestion of walking around while listening. I will definitely try that sometime.

[CharredSoul]

hahaha thats all good just might want to read over my posts again. LOL

[rgn]

[CharredSoul]

i am not saying that you cannot reach trance while lying down, change will not be that effective. just sayin that if you really want effective change sit down in a spot where you have no enviromental anchors, less resistence to the mind to change.

[bandler]