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WarpMyMind • View topic - Eye Color
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Eye Color

PostPosted: May 20th, 2006, 9:30 pm
by Defunct
I was wondering about this. Would it be possible to change your eye color through hypnosis? I'd think based on some of the other changes that seem possible through hypnosis, changing melanin levels or something would be relatively easy. Then again, I don't know.

Also would be interesting if you could change your skin tone too.

PostPosted: May 21st, 2006, 4:31 am
by Blink
There's already a long thread discussing what might and might not be possible using hypnosis: "Aren't These Impossible?"

I'd suggest reading that, even though I don't think there was a response specifically to your question. You'll still get an idea of where the opinions fall.

-- Blink

PostPosted: May 21st, 2006, 9:45 am
by CuriousG
A good rule of thumb is: If a drug can't do it, hypnosis can't either.

That's not to say this rule is absolute, nor for that matter that hypnosis can do everything pills can.

PostPosted: May 21st, 2006, 8:37 pm
by Jack
Nor that pills can do everything hypnosis can.

PostPosted: May 22nd, 2006, 4:01 pm
by CuriousG

PostPosted: May 22nd, 2006, 5:58 pm
by Jack
limited forms of catatonia(including partial limb/extremities, and dissociation[also induces extreme anesthesia])

any form of color-blindness, and any level of blindness(although there are some drugs that in some people do induce various levels of temporary blindness)

hmmm, there are others, but they don't induce what I would consider physiological phenomenon.

any kinesthetic sensations including sharp, hot, cold, wet, dry, slimy, etc.

As you're aware, there are other phenomenon which both hypnosis, and pills do very well: inducing/reducing erections, increased/decreased need to eliminate bowels/bladder, speed of heart beating, hallucinations, etc

For a lot of these effects, pills can be the easier choice depending on the patient(IQ, preconditioning, ease of administration, etc) and doctor(timing, training, etc).

PostPosted: May 22nd, 2006, 9:47 pm
by Lissar
I'm pretty sure that you cannot change your eye color through hypnosis. Eye color is based on multiple genes, and you cannot change your DNA.

PostPosted: May 23rd, 2006, 5:09 am
by Jack
Yup, and Lissar wasn't convinced. Hence the "I'm pretty sure". Better than(ifI remember correctly) his original "This won't work!"(pretty sure that's a paraphrase of his attitude, rather than a direct quote)

PostPosted: May 23rd, 2006, 1:19 pm
by goldragon_70

PostPosted: May 23rd, 2006, 3:55 pm
by CuriousG
Contacts are an easier and better-established way to change eyecolor than hypnosis. Frankly, I doubt that hypnosis even can change eyecolor, but then Ol' Birch will hit me with that breast site, so I won't. I'll just stick to my first sentence, which is indisputable fact. Also, bear in mind that just because something can happen due to effects such as aging doesn't mean it can happen with conscious control. You're no more in total control of your body than a CEO is in total control of Joe Janitor.

Here are a couple of links:
[url]http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a971205.html[/url]
[url]http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/feb2002/1013052193.Me.r.html[/url]

PostPosted: May 23rd, 2006, 9:33 pm
by loony28
:twisted: Well I have heard that with some people with multiple personalities that when one personality takes over the eye color of the person can change. I have seen my own eyes start to change from green to yellow at times. So yes, hypnosis can change your eye color and I would think your skin color to. :twisted:

PostPosted: May 24th, 2006, 1:14 am
by Lissar

PostPosted: May 24th, 2006, 4:47 am
by Jack
Lissar, what's cancer?

PostPosted: May 24th, 2006, 8:35 am
by goldragon_70

PostPosted: May 24th, 2006, 2:25 pm
by Lissar
Cancer is a mutation, a mistake. 50% of the time, it is caused by a problem with p53, which normally finds mutations and has them corrected. Most cases of cervical cancer are caused by a virus that attacks the cervical cells and inserts its own parasitic genetic information.

I would really appreciate it if people would consider the difference between cancer and changing eye color. Cancer is a terrible and serious disease, and it is characterized by mutations that affect the reproductive rate of cells. If we knew how mutations occurred, and we were able to control that, cancer would not be an issue. So if hypnosis could change DNA, maybe my best friend would still have her thyroid gland, my classmate wouldn't have missed a year of school, and my grandfather would still be alive.

If you want to go and argue about how evolutionary change could not have occurred without mutations, you're forgetting that individuals do not change phenotypically, only genotypically, and that genotypic change must occur in the cells that become gametes. That's why cancer is not passed down (although you can have a genetic predisposition); it usually occurs in somatic cells. So the first child to have DNA that coded for blue eyes did not have parents whose eye colors changed from another color to blue.

goldragon_70, I have absolutely no idea what you're even saying. If you read my previous post, you may have seen that I was talking about polypeptides as the end product of transcription and translation.

PostPosted: May 24th, 2006, 4:02 pm
by CuriousG

PostPosted: May 24th, 2006, 6:13 pm
by goldragon_70

PostPosted: May 24th, 2006, 7:28 pm
by Lissar
There's no way I can respond to your post, goldragon, because once again, it makes NO sense at all. Where are you even getting information to support your absurd argument?

PostPosted: May 24th, 2006, 7:45 pm
by goldragon_70
High school Human anatomy and physiology, and the meditation thing came from a friend of the person that did it.

PostPosted: May 24th, 2006, 8:47 pm
by Lissar
That's strange, considering I've just completed a year of college intro biology, and I had already taken intro and advanced biology in high school prior to that. Perhaps you aren't remembering your class correctly. Also, anatomy and physiology aren't genetics.

PostPosted: May 24th, 2006, 11:45 pm
by Senji
If magick can do it, hypnosis can do it.

PostPosted: May 25th, 2006, 3:30 pm
by Blink
To misquote John Gillespie Magee, Jr., "Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of reason...."

-- Blink
blink-blink

PostPosted: May 25th, 2006, 10:46 pm
by goldragon_70

PostPosted: May 26th, 2006, 9:44 pm
by CuriousG

PostPosted: May 26th, 2006, 11:24 pm
by Jack

PostPosted: May 27th, 2006, 12:06 pm
by CuriousG

PostPosted: May 27th, 2006, 10:49 pm
by goldragon_70

PostPosted: June 22nd, 2006, 11:23 pm
by Dingus

PostPosted: June 23rd, 2006, 4:29 am
by Jack
Do I hear a volunteer in the croud, Dingus?

PostPosted: June 24th, 2006, 11:58 am
by NeKofLiP
i would happily volunteer. i didn't even read the debates, but in my opinion, if you really think it can happen, it will. unless its some BS like you being able to fly or something.

PostPosted: June 24th, 2006, 6:48 pm
by goldragon_70
If someone is willing to make the file, or do the sessions, I will do it. I have some green in my brown eyes, and I would like to see if I can my my eyes mostly green instead of mostly brown.

PostPosted: June 24th, 2006, 7:19 pm
by NeKofLiP
ah you are lucky. my eyes are a typical dark brown, i would love to have green eyes. why don't we make a file of this in the voting page?

PostPosted: June 24th, 2006, 7:29 pm
by goldragon_70
Could make one that works with you when you look at your eyes in the mirror. You look for the color in your eyes that you want and you focus on promoting the spread of the color.