WarpMyMind

I joined this forum because i can't explain what is happening to me. I am 45 year old heterosexual married woman. My husband and I have been married for 19 years and have a 17 year old daughter ! I am 5 ft 11 tall and that, coupled with being well built and well endowed(i have very large breasts) i can even carry a few extra pounds without looking tubby.


I've always had big boobs. I easily had the largest chest in my high school. I am big woman. I am 5 ft 11 and being well endowed well built and curvy always on high heels makes me HUGE! But I love my height and my curvy stature. About two years ago I was at Costco with my daughter and this little boy pointed at me and said something like: "Gush mom, look at her, she is giant!!!" I don’t intend to dress in any particular ‘way’ for anyone. I just wear what I like. I wear clothes that fit me properly. I don’t wear anything vulgar but because of my body type anything i wear looks tight on me. Being tall and curvy draws attention on its own. This can be both positive and negative. I tower over plenty of men and women. I was sexualised from a very early age, and shamed for the way my body looks – something I have no control over. I can’t help how wide my hips grow or how big my breasts get.
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My mother used to shame me for the way my body looked. If I wanted to wear a skirt or dress, she always discouraged it, she always thought my skirt was ‘too short’ or ‘too tight’, or there was something wrong with my dress-sense. There’s always guys flirting or asking me for my number. When I go out in public guys start talking to me and subtly try to ask me out. I have trouble being mean so i cant get them to leave me alone. I end up getting stressed by it. The irony is that all this time I’ve been afraid of men, perceiving any touch as a sexual advance that I should fear – when really, it was a short, skinny older women I should have feared..







I am a small business owner. I own a store. About two weeks ago this skinny really short like 5 ft 3 ugly pale face creepy brown eyes thin lips light brown haired with Chin-Length haircut kinda masculine woman in her late 50s started working at the independent bookstore next door. 3 days ago i arrived at my store. I was wearing a black and white striped long sleeve satin blouse buttoned up to the top tucked into black leather leggings and 5 inch heels black shoes. I had my long black fur coat over my shoulders. I had full make up on. This small pale bookstore clerk woman was there outside . I got out of my car. She was measuring me with her eyes as surely as a seamstress measures before she cuts. She walked up to me and said" Hi mrs Louisa. You have such a regal bearing. You are so shiney. You always look so glammed up. You have a beautiful coat. Wow. The size difference between us is beyond comical. You are sooo tall. I wanted to meet you, we are neighbors. But you were just too busy to talk and i didn't want to intrude. Don't be afraid. I don't wear a mask because i had covid in September. I guess i am immune now". she told me.

" Ooh, me too. I had covid in November. That is why i don't wear a mask. Also masks ruin make up. And i love make up. " i replied. .

"Listen Louisa, earlier today your employees told me that your computer is messed up. I can help you with that. I have some knowledge. "

"Thank you so much , really. I need my computer fixed. '' i thanked her.

"No need to thank me Louisa. We are neighbors. Wow your bra size must be 40DD. On a shorter woman they would look cartoonish or disproportionately huge , but you are a giantess, so I knew that they are a double handful of natural massive breasts. ! I am fascinated with the size of your boobs. As you can see I am totally flat. My breasts are tiny. "You are such a massive woman. Your breasts look absolutely huge, even with your blouse buttoned up to the top. They are vaulting off your chest and being seen from your side and even behind you i can still see your breasts .Your breasts are sooo large. They are massive. This blouse you are wearing is so tight fitting that stretches taut across your chest, it is buttoned up to the top but the buttons are almost threatening to pop free. " The small pale bookstore clerk said with a great enthusiasm. .




I didn't know how to respond to that. .

"Those are perfect Louisa. Too perfect. Alright, I'm sorry, but they can't be left alone." Saying this, the small pale creepy bookstore clerk, started to reach for my breasts ( her face was exactly the level of my breasts).

"Hey! I am not a touchy feely person!"i replied

"Yeah, but this is too good to pass up. Let me feel them for a bit. "she said.

"Okay you.....OH!" My train of thought and almost-acceptance of her proposal was interrupted by her small hands moving onto my breasts.... eagerly groping them. She used both hands to cup and squeeze my breasts. She rubbed her hands in little circles, intensifying the pressure, then backing off, then intensifying it again. This small pale creepy older woman wasn't just grabbing my breasts. She was lightly massaging my breasts and admiring them. I was sighing occasionally, sometimes looking away, only to look back down at her hands doing their work on my boobs. These two women my employees were watching through the glass. They were shocked. I just met this weirdo small pale woman, but for some reason i decided to tolerate her groping. I've always had big boobs. I easily had the largest chest in my high school. But I was one of the lucky ones that's never had her boobs grabbed, touched, or jiggled before. My lack of familiarity with this type of situation was not just limited to being groped either, as so far i had no involvement with lesbians at all.


It was just awkward. I was just standing there stiff as a board while she was feeling up my boobs . Also my coat was over my shoulders(balancing a coat on your shoulders isn’t easy. Your shoulders must remain lifted, keeping the luxe fabric from slipping off and down your back.) She finally stopped rubbing my breasts, put her small hands on my waist and suggested we should go inside. We went inside.

I took my coat off and hung it on a coat hanger by the door. The pale small pale bookstore clerk walked towards my desk and sat on my chair. My employees were obviously weirded out, but they didn't say anything. So i just stood there in the middle of my store, while she was fixing my computer. Then she said "Come round here. I fix it, but probably you don't want to lose this document , it's not saved "

I sighed and moved around my desk to stand beside her. As i bent forward at the waist to tap at the keyboard the small pale book clerk pushed my chair back a little to give me more room. Her re-positioning also gave her a much better view of my butt. I was bent over, with my ass jutting out towards her.

"No idea what you've done here, but thanks" i muttered under my breath as i tried to save the document.

I abruptly tensed, pausing my typing as i felt one of her small hands stroke over my right buttock. I grimaced slightly, but resuming my typing without saying anything to the weirdo pale woman about her straying hand.

"Come in a little closer," the pale small clerk instructed as her other hand came up to my ass. She gave my bottom a lightly squeeze through my leggings, filling each of her palms.

"I think that's it, thanks" I said after a moment more, during which her groping hands squeezed my ass.

"No need to thank me" the small creepy pale clerk replied with a grin as she gave me a pat on my bottom. .

I quickly disentangled myself and moved out from behind my desk. Then she got up and approached me from behind. I gasped as she put her arms around my waist.

She said, "I am admiring you Louisa. You are everything that i am not. You are a massive woman. You are much taller and bigger than me. This beautiful clothes are so tight on you because of your body type. You are so sophisticated and elegant. I am fascinated with you. You look so polished. You are a sophisticated, elegant, upper middle class, tall woman. "

She then slid her hands up my stomach, and grabbed both of my breasts. I gasped, but otherwise did nothing, as the small pale old woman reached around and kneaded both of my breasts, lifting and squeezing them. My head was up and my chest heaved out, as i got goosed and tit – fondled. We were standing in the middle of my own store. My employees passed by, staring, then averting their eyes at the incongruous scene, the massive tall woman their boss standing still, letting the small skinny old woman to fondle her breasts. They saw me standing there, my breasts being lifted, squeezed and jiggled, never trying to escape or force this weirdo woman away.





I had no defense against her hands. I was kinda hypnotized. She just kept rubbing, lifting and squeezing my breasts.
I felt vulnerable. I don't understand why, but I offered to the small pale creepy clerk that she could feel me any way she wanted for as long as she wanted and i wouldn't try to stop her. She asked " i can grab your breasts and ass, for as long as i want, and you won't stop me?" I answered the only way i knew to avoid conflict. "yes, go ahead, touch me all you want, anywhere I swear, as long as i am fully clothed and you are touching me through clothes i don't mind. I don t feel nothing. I am totally numb. I am a heterosexual woman " She asked again," are you sure about that?"
I was near hysterics now and i answered "yes, absolutely. you can touch all you want. But I need to pee now ".

"Don t worry Louisa, !"the small pale clerk said and finally removed her hands from my breasts. As i walked off towards the bathroom, she thanked me and went outside.

What is wrong with me? I’m so ashamed that I couldn’t even say no or push this short skinny old woman away. The issue i need to address is not this woman groper but my passive reaction. For some reason i cannot, do not, fight this woman off as i would some male who groped me. I even gave consent to her. I knew EVERYTHING she did to me, but I didn't mind. Not having the willpower nor the desire to resist. Why? It was almost an out-of-body experience, watching myself allowing her hands to crawl over me. I didn't get lesbian pleasure out of this. (I am strictly heterosexual - i am not a closet lesbian.) I am not scared of this woman groper. I just couldn’t verbalize a succinct “NO” to this short skinny creepy woman. I didn’t say anything or tell her to stop. Why? What is wrong with me? And this predatory woman groper is physically completely harmless. She is not tough and strong. She doesn't look intimidating. She is creepy and masculine but she is just a short, skinny, tiny old woman. I am physically stronger than her.


This creepy repulsive short skinny pale woman humiliated me and degraded me in a subtle way in front of my employees. I am starting to think that this is a way for her to humiliate me in front of them and gain power over me . Because a lot of people here in this community think that I'm stuck up upper middle class arrogant overdressed snob because I tend to ignore them. When i am in an environment where I do not know everyone I can come as arrogant and stuck up depending on the setting.Is truly a defensive mechanism though.I got the feeling that a lot of people here in this community think i am just arrogant snob.


I want to talk about this situation, because this is new to me. I am not scared of this woman groper. I just couldn’t verbalize a succinct “NO” to this short skinny creepy woman. I didn’t say anything or tell her to stop. Why? Is it possible that i was somehow hypnotized?

This is a different type of posting for these parts. Welcome to the WMM forums and thank you for sharing your story and issue. I found your story fascinating and am sorry to say that I am a guy that is attracted to tall curvy women, so I'm sure I enjoyed your story even more because of the visuals. I am sorry that this happened to you, as I am sure it is haunting your mind - both what happened and how you could have let it happen. First, it's not your fault, so don't beat yourself up over it. Second, I like to look at these moments as little tests in life that we can learn and grow from and become stronger people. Life is about constantly improving as a person - this experience will definitely serve as a lesson in your life and perhaps strengthen you for a bigger and more serious challenge.

I think the other poster pretty damn nailed the hypno influence of what happened. So I definitely concur with that.

I want to explore a little more though.

A few things. First, this woman is definitely "different". I've met strange people like this in my life (most happen to be women, but some men) and they are just unusual creatures that live life by a very different set of rules. Was she versed in hypnotism and trying to hypnotize you or was she just so outside of society norms that you were taken aback and didn't know how to react? I suspect the latter, but it works the same way in terms of confusing you and throwing you off your game. A similar thing (well not exactly) happened to me and my wife this weekend when a homeless man approached us and worked his game to get some money. When you are hit with things that you don't expect, they can serve to put you in a bit of a trance.

You call her a pale ugly short woman (or forms of that) throughout your story. You clearly identify her in this very negative way. Is it possible that you felt sorry for her in some subconcious way? Almost like a guilt. "White privilege" is the current buzzword and people are certainly going out of their way to prove it doesn't apply to them. Do you perhaps have sexy tall woman privilege guilt issues that made you feel like you owe it to this ugly woman to give her a little thrill or give her her way? After all, was it really hurting you? and it was clearly making her day, right? Don't you owe her that much for the great gift you have been given with your looks while she has been cursed with being short, pale and ugly? Those are rhetorical questions, but think about whether you might relate to that.

I think you need to reflect on this pretty deeply. Take some time to yourself to almost meditate on it and think about what you wish you would have done and then play that scene over again and again in your mind the way that you would have wanted it to go down. Then be prepared with that new scene in your head so that you can react the "right" way the next time you see her. Perhaps also consider reading this book: https://www.amazon.com/When-Say-No-Feel ... 0553263900

Build up your strength now so you are ready for your next encounter. You owe her nothing and you certainly shouldn't let her touch you again.

Good luck!

I see you are concerned about your sexuality here. I can assure you that this incident does not make you homosexual. Far from it. Just like a guy wanting to be pegged by a woman doesn't make him homosexual. You are only homosexual if you have an attraction to the same sex and not the opposite sex. That is clearly not the case with you. Even if you were bisexual, you have not discovered that side of yourself and you certainly aren't going to discover it in the hands of this woman. This woman is purely a weird predator who molested you. What she did is against the law. It's an interesting question regarding whether she used covert hypnotism on purpose against you or if her actions just had the same effect, but regardless, she molested you.

Now, if you are still struggling with this, perhaps what you are struggling with is a new found pleasure of being submissive. You've said nothing about your sex life but if you have always felt that because you are an Amazon woman that you are expected to be more dominant, then perhaps you for the first time have been taken back by the pleasures of submission. If that is the case, then there are much safer ways to discover submission. Play with some of the hypno tracks on this site for example, or let your husband know that you want him to be more dominant and you want to role play as sexually submissive. I for one strive to be an alpha male in my daily life but I again and again fall into the need to experience the pleasure of being submissive. They have a term "subspace" which means you go into a trance like state when you truly submit. It's freeing and peaceful and pleasurable, and perhaps that is what you experienced. That said, if my wife ever said she wanted me to submit to me and experience pure dominance, I would be all over that in a heartbeat too.

Regardless, explore it with someone you trust and tell this unwelcomed molester to fuck off.

I agree that keybounce had a really good response and I enjoyed reading it. This is a man that has a really good understanding of hypnosis.

As for your husband, I am really sorry to hear this. You certainly deserve to have a man that trusts you and is confident in himself such that he is not intimidated by other men. The irony is that type of behavior is exactly what will eventually drive you away - not the attention of other men. I don't have any good advice for you about him because that is something that he needs to figure out himself. I know many guys can be like this and it's really a shame that their own self-esteem and jealousy issues can hurt a marriage so much. You should be able to dress as you wish and go out as you wish and trust in him to be able to reveal what happened to you without fear of repercussion. I hope that he can figure his shit out sometime soon for your sake.

As a side note, I appreciate the fact that you have posted pictures of yourself on here, as it is always nice to have visuals and you are certainly a beautiful woman with a beautiful body - as you of course already know.

First: I see two different things going on here.

I'm going to repeat some questions I asked the last time, rephrased, because I'm not sure you quite followed what I said.

First, repeat: Get Marriage Counseling.

Second: I only have a small look at your life. I only have the little bit you've stated here. This might be wrong. This might be in error.

With that said, it sounds like you are saying that your husband does not let you have friends that he does not know of, and can basically monitor any conversation you have with friends, and you have indicated that you might not be OK with that.

Are you OK with that?

Here, you have someone that wants to be friendly with you, without your husband knowing about it.

Does the idea of having a friend that your husband does not know about appeal to you?

If it does, do you want this woman to be a friend?

This is a serious question. What you do next depends on whether or not you want her to be a friend.

One option is to take action to keep her out of your life.
One option is to take action to have her in your life as a friend who does not manipulate/hypnotize you.

But you have to decide which of those two paths to take.

I will not give you advice until I know which path you advise on.

EDIT: Ok, advice disguised as questions:

1. What do you want, _now_?
2. Who are you when you are not your husband's wife? Who are _you_? Now, today?
3. Who/what really matters to you?
4. What are the _current_ goals in your life? What do you want your _next/new_ goals in your life to be, if your _current_ ones do not match what matters to you?
5. Once you know what you want your new goals to be, what really matters _according to your new goals_?
6. Once you know what really matters, what's next? What do you want to do _new/different_?

What do you want?
What really mattered yesterday?
What really will matter tomorrow?
What will do you to change?

What path do you want?

I am triple posting because this is that important. Please actually read that message, and answer those questions to yourself (you do not have to post the answers), before you go on to the my next message.

I am unlikely to get back here again before Tuesday night. So if this happens again before Tuesday, I want you to have a little more in your toolbox.

Again, please answer those questions, at least to your own satisfaction.

(Moderators, please forgive this triple post. I am doing this out of a desire to serve someone that is having an issue.)

I agree with keybounce. Don't let some misapplied embarrassment or shame get in the way of you opening up to your employees about this. Think of a child who gets molested by an adult and thinks it's her fault and doesn't tell anyone. Is it her fault? Should she tell someone? When she does, does anyone judge the child or do they help the child? Open up, don't be ashamed as it's not your fault, tell your employees you don't know how to handle this woman - THEY WILL UNDERSTAND. It's your most effective tool at your disposal for this problem.

Louisa,
That is a really weird response from your employee. I assume she is young and slightly free-spirited to have said that. Regardless, she is wrong and you are right in your feelings. You are being molested by this woman and if you don't like it, then it's not right and she needs to stop. It's not harmless and it makes no difference if she is an older small lady or a younger large man. It's another person who is molesting you without your consent. She is objectifying you and while that may be good and fun when a person wants it, it is no good when a person does not want it, like you do not. She is taking advantage of you. I just want you to know that so that you don't start to rationalize that this is okay. I'm glad you talked to someone about it, but sorry that the person you spoke to was not the best set of ears. Keybounce's advice is all very good and I can't give you anymore advice other than to tell you to read it again and take it to heart.

You make a lot of good points. There is a lot out there if you look for it with stories of men who have been raped by women and emotionally scarred by it where everyone laughed at them, or told them they were lucky, etc. I'm sure some gay men are even gay as a result of being raped or molested by a woman. It's a shitty double standard. What if this woman was a man but was first a woman who transitioned to a man? Would that make this wrong then? What if it was a man who was a trans woman? Is that better or worst? Your "woke" friend needs to wake up. I love that you called her woke because I can picture her now. She is wrong. 9 out of 10 people would agree with that I'm sure. If she is saying that then she probably thinks you are getting what you deserve. You clearly are a woman blessed with amazing curves and unfortunately there are a lot of pieces of shit out that can't handle being envious. This employee is not a friend. I have known women like you and have had women friends like you and I agree that you are misunderstood. It sucks. Maybe you care to work on some of it or maybe you don't, but think about your actions and consequences in terms of being aloof. Nothing wrong with being aloof, as long as you own the bad that may come from it. Anyway, you definitely have some issues with your husband and your employees that you should consider dealing with. However, you need to get this crazy woman out of your space first. I think the best thing to do is be very firm with her and keep saying no and walk away. GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME! isn't necessarily the wrong thing to yell at her if she doesn't get the hint when you start off more polite.

I am almost out of advice to give at this point. I am sad to hear that one of your employees just wants to dismiss the whole thing, and not take your concerns seriously. Please, talk to your other employees. You need some sort of support group.

That you are avoiding your own store is a serious sign of a problem.

Talk to a traditional therapist.
Do something about your relationship with your husband.
Get someone that you can talk to.

Own your life.

I have no more advice to give. I do want to hear what happens next. Please, feel free to "vent" here if you need to get something off your chest, or if you need to ask for advice on "what next". (I'll probably just be repeating what I've said so far, but I'll try to present it differently -- maybe a different presentation will be the right one?).

You are not a failure. You are in a situation that you have not experienced before, or trained for. You don't know what to do.

All of that is fine.

You came here for advice, got some, and your second encounter was much better.

Good. You are improving.

The standard "plan for/ improve the future" training that I know of is, "Imagine X, imagine what you would do, see it working the way you want".

Give this a try.

The more detail you can put into your imagination -- and I mean *ALL* of the detail -- the better. See/imagine how you feel; how your body feels. Feel your reactions. ETc.

OWN THEM.

Make them what you want them to be.

Try a multi-pass imagination "stage play". The first pass, you are only doing scripting. No details. Very "light-weight". On pass two, you put in more details, and make sure that things are playing out the way you want. Re-write the script as often as you need until you like what happens.

Then play it out twice more, adding in more detail each time. Remember the script. It is YOUR script. You rehearsed it, and it is what you want.

Put in as much detail as you can on the "final" pass. Then decide if you can do one more pass, with more details in your imagination.

This is a self hypnosis technique. When you replay this "Stage play", where you are looking at "That you over there, on stage", like you are the director of the play, watching some copy of you act out what you want to be, that is hypnosis.

Know that you wrote the script.
Know that it will play out how you want it to play out.
Know that you are rehearsing what might happen in real life.

Know that you will "win", however "winning" looks to you.

Any updates to your situation Louisa?

I hate this for you Louisa. I'm sorry that this woman has managed to so negatively affect you. I would love to see you figure out this problem and take control of the situation. What if you pulled out your camera phone and recorded her whenever she comes near and when she asks you what you are doing, you say recording this for evidence. That may make her go away. Just trying to think outside the box.

Bump

Please give us a status update? What has been happening?

Louisa,

I don't know if the "why is this happening" to you is so important but I would imagine your co-worker is right about why it is happening. That doesn't make it right and she is wrong. What if you were a magnet for a short weak men? Would that be okay, or is that somehow more wrong? Ignore her nonsense. The question of "why are you letting this happen" may be more relevant but perhaps it doesn't matter so much. You thought the first woman was hypnotizing you somehow. Which is why you came to WMM. Perhaps she isn't hypnotizing you. Although, on WMM there is a lot of hypnosis and attraction toward obedience, compliance and submission. These women are clearly predators that are testing your compliance. They touch you to see what you do. If you say "Ummm, Excuse Me! What are you doing?!" they would probably stop and say something like "Oh, I'm so sorry. You are just so beautiful. I couldn't help myself." At which time, you have to say "well, don't do it again. I generally don't like being molested." That would end it. If they try again, which they likely won't, you can then walk away. If they follow you, you say "No" or "Get away." That would be a normal reaction, even if it seems aggressive. However, you are tested and you acquiesce and comply. Boom. You are now claimed territory to these predator women who feel like you are giving them a free pass - maybe even welcoming it. Perhaps they see you as a sexual creature that invites all forms of fondling and pleasure. Who knows.

So how do you fix it. You need to practice and train. Out loud. In a mirror. Several times a day (in private). imagine the situation has occurred and then walk through the situation: "Ummm, Excuse Me! What are you doing?!" Imagine they say something like "Oh, I'm so sorry. You are just so beautiful. I couldn't help myself." At which time, you say "well, don't do it again. I generally don't like being molested." Practice it several times a day for a week. Then go to work early in the morning and be armed and ready to take on your original groper. You can do this!!

Louisa,
First, it's not all your fault. There is no fault here other than these women trying to molest you.
Second, I have no doubt that it would leave you extremely irritable and stressed out. That's why you need to take control over the situation and feel like you have taken back power.

I don't think it is possible that you are under some kind of a spell. I think there is purely a psychological reason for this. Your story reminds me of a time I was in a shopping mall and was stopped by a cart saleswoman. I didn't want what she was buying but she stopped me, complimented me and every time I tried to say no, she resold me. In the end, I ended up buying something I didn't want for more than it was worth. Many years later, I still get mad about that situation. This is really the same for you. You are getting stopped by women who are selling you something you don't want (to be groped). Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. You don't need to be fooled again, but as I said, you need to train and prepare yourself to take back control.

Your comment: "My lack of familiarity with this type of situations was not just limited to being groped either, as so far i had no involvement with lesbians at all." is telling. You were unfamiliar with this situation, which is why you didn't know how to handle it. However, you are now familiar with it and you do know how to handle it. I told you in my last post. Now you just need to prepare yourself.

I think the fact that this has happened to you twice is just a really strange coincidence and not a curse or a vibe you are giving off. But, again, you need to mentally prepare yourself for how to handle the same situation in the future - whether it happens with a woman or a man. You will always be a curvy attractive woman so the reality is that the odds of this happening to you versus someone else are just much higher. There is something appealing about curvy women. I love them too, but I have enough impulse control to not go and grope a random woman. These awkward women clearly don't have impulse control. You need to correct them - it's your body and your right to say who can and cannot touch you.

I'm glad to hear that Louisa. Letting go of control and feeling submissive can be fun, but only when you want to. To have someone take advantage of you when you don't want it, is the worst feeling in the world. I don't want you feeling that way. I know you can take control of this situation, and yes I fully believe in you.

Louisa, I'm really proud of you. What you did at the end of your story by confronting and firing your shitty employee was perfect. That is exactly what you needed to do and you did it. That was amazing! Fuck her and everything she said to you for sure. Wow, I can't believe she even said that shit. I'm also happy to hear that you were much more assertive this time against Erin, even if you may feel like you still let her touch you more than you want. I would recommend you talk to your business partner about this. You need a woman who can listen to you and respect your views on this. Moreover, you partner can help you in the future to make sure that Erin doesn't touch you again. Tell her that you hear what she is saying but that you don't want to be molested and you can't let it happen again and you need her help to stop it. Even if this is a lie, tell her you were molested when you were younger and that being touched like that fucks with your head. Even the most woke pieces of shit will have to respect that.

I believe I recommended this before I will do so again, https://www.amazon.com/When-Say-No-Feel-Guilty/

Here's a Youtube series on the topic

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... F3wQ4PIAUR