personal limits

[feardesire]

i'm a newbie. i have listened to a number of the files. i find they sort of work. it seems i have to "cooperate" quite a bit for them to actually work, but i fear they might push me past my personal limits. so, in this sense, is anything really happening at all?

it seems to me that, if a file or trigger really worked, i would have no choice in the matter, but i would simply obey. but then i realize that there must be a part of you that actually wants what the file is offering.

can anyone enlighten me further about the line between how much you must really want, inside yourself vs. when the suggestions can carry you past a line that you would not ordinarily cross? (which seems to me to be the more exciting aspect of all this, although, it's also the scariest).

feardesire

[aeroue]

Some people say that if you are set against a particular suggestion it will simply not take effect and that it is impossible to hypnotise someone to do something they don't want to do.

Others say there are ways, but it is pretty complex hypnosis. Can't be bothered to explain it now.

[loony28]

:twisted: These files can push you past your conscious limits. Subconscious limits are a different story. If you try pushing past your subconscious limits chances are that the files will have little if any success. I think that you can change these limits incrementally by pushing right up to the limit and maybe a little past it over time. :twisted:

[cardigan]

You cannot be hypnotised to do anything against your own will. So if you have personal limits that are in opposition to the hypnosis you are trying to get to work, it will fail.

However one COULD work at expanding your limits first, so that this was not a problem. But you'd need personalized files for that.

Getting a trigger to work properly may require cooperation on your part to begin with. I.e. when the trigger is activated, then at first you do what the trigger wants you to do. After a while you don't have to cooperate. It will just be automatic. It's sort of like the conditioning of Pavlov's dogs, I think. (They are conditioned to drool when a bell is rung.)

You always have a choice. If you obey, you obey by choice, or because you THINK you have no choice but to obey! That is the catch-22! :-)

[aeroue]

To continue....

I think what I read once was.

That anyone can be made to do anything so long as you push the right kinda button, for lack of a better term.

For example the vast majority of people would never kill someone.
But with the right situation they would.
e.g. someone trying to kill them, self defence.

This was in relation to hypnosis not just general.
But I am not sure on the source so it is not fact.

[feardesire]

[feardesire]

[cardigan]

[feardesire]

[feardesire]

Just looking at HypnoGirls.com. It said, "She didn't believe in Hypnosis, but that doesn't matter, she went under hard!" So here we go again! If she didn't believe in it, how is it that it worked on her!? IF ONLY!!!

-feardesire

[Jack]

If you want a decent answer you can PM me. Otherwise you'll have to settle for this: if you put people in a situation where you are in control of the frame it can and will make them highly suggestible.

[EMG]

[feardesire]

[OMGWTFBBQ]

"You can't control the wind, but you can adjust the sails."

[seiferoth]

[cardigan]

Try hypnovideo.com. The sessions are real. The hypnotist is real. I don't believe anything there is a fake. - Not much, anyway :-)

[hailtheprinceofdarkness]

I won't bother to quote, since there are so many people argueing about the topic of unwilling hypnosis.

Honestly, it is very possible to make someone do anything you want to under hypnosis. There are complexities however.

The most closely guarded secret is that if someone thinks that they have their own free will, then they do. If you have someone believe that they are completely helpless under your control, then they will be.

A very good example of this is n2o, or alughing gas. n2o won't effect you if you steel yourself against it, saying that it won't effect you. This was in a study of one of my friends. He is working for a research labratory. He told one group of people that a canister of n2o was just plain air, and opened it. The group just stood there and wondered why he did that. The group that was told it was n2o was laughing insanely. It works the other way around too.

The reason that this isn't told to everyone is that it would be easy for hypnotherapists to commit malpractice. No one wants to have hypnotherapists rule the world.

[Jack]

Including hypnotists.