Have you been taken under against your will?

[hypnoteen]

Has this ever happened to anyone? Maybe with someone who is incredibly skilled at hypnosis, or with covert techniques?

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[sleepyslut]

My first time i didn't consent ahead of time, it sort of snuck up on me.

[hexagon77]

Well i had it happen the other way around, i talk to someone, just chatting, and then that person slipped into a trance without me doing anything.

Either they wanted to be tranced really badly, and our talk about it allowed that person to drop under, or it was all a huge fake - who really knows ;)

[Tangy]

[Jeshi]

While there are many times when people are hypnotized without specifically wanting to (through surprise triggers and the such), I don't know of any times when someone has gone under when they very specifically did not want to. That tends to be how hypnosis works, you can get people to do things they would otherwise be indifferent to (such as silly things that they'd have no reason not to do, but no reason to do either) but not things that they'd object to.

For me, even if I've "tried to resist" I've always really be willing deep down, just "resisting" to make it more fun. Sometimes though people have tried and failed because they were so bad at it that even if they used a trigger my brain would just decide that they were too stupid for it to work.

[PowerHoden]

[Jeshi]

[qv]

[Tangy]

[Midnight68652]

that's not entirely true tangy. I hypnotize people in 5-10 minutes myself (induction trance and awake in all) Admittedly i use a temporary form that wears off if not exposed to it. But there are Subtle forms of hypnotism that doesn't rely on induction. They just make your subconscious focus on certain words in a conversation (works best in person and a lot use touch at the key words). Thus you can be hypnotized without knowing.

While it is impossible to induce somebody who doesn't want to. It is possible to hypnotize somebody who doesn't want to. The induction can be countered by their lack of focus. Though if you can talk them into going through the induction even the most resistant can be hypnotized without them wanting to be.

There is one person I hypnotized when it wasn't going to work. I hypnotized him over the phone and it only appeared to half work. But after a bit of prodding by using the commands his mind got used to the idea and addicted to being controlled. Now his hypnotism has wore off completely but he has been turned from a dom personality into a sub.

Though There is a select few that can't be hypnotized whether they want to or not. Ether from Add (or Adhd) or because of how they focus(like me) it just induction just doesn't work on them. See when I focus I have to repeat it in my mind what is being said or talk in my head what I'm doing. While this makes multitasking a bitch it makes me able to Selectively focus on different things in moments of time. I can down out other stuff or flash between different things (like chats or games) but while it is useful in that regard it makes it impossible to induce me.

Though I've never tested it with a real live in person hypnotist. I really want to.

[Tangy]

[Tangy]

[demigraff]

[mindslave67]

I think Tangy's latest response hypnotized me against my will.

I'm confused, lost about 5 minutes of my life, can no longer do math, and feel dumber than I did before I read all that, none of which I wanted to happen before I clicked on this thread.

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In all honesty, I really enjoy the fantasy of being hypnotized against my will (by sexy people for sexy purposes), but I have enough trouble just getting into good trances that I doubt it could happen to me.

I do believe a certain portion of the populace is so "open" as to be easily hypnotized whether they want to be or not. I also believe that once you are sufficiently conditioned by a hypnotist, then that hypnotist can put you into trance whether you want to be or not. These are just beliefs based upon my own reading. I have no absolute proof, other than what Tangy's post did to me.

[zapnosis]

[Knitted]

Interesting question :)

I've come a long way in being able to trance...

But what I find is... I trance better when it happens unexpectedly.

Master has worked on me for months now and frankly... I'm not sure what goes on in my mind anymore. Like at all. He does use NLP techniques, but I don't know anything about nlp so I dunno how.

I just noticed that... he sort of talks in circles. And suddenly I feel the trance creeping in on me. But I also don't resist. I am sure if i resisted, I would snap out immediately.

[Tangy]

[slutinmyhead]

We spend over half our lives in trance. We've all gone under without awareness of it. The caveat here is 'how deep?' I've put people under deep enough to influence behavior and alter memories. This isn't even that hard to do. It's not magic.

On that note, while I don't use a lot of Elman inductions, I recommend Dave Elman's book Hypnotherapy to anyone who wants effective inductions in less than a minute. These are mostly shock inductions and people will know you hypnotized them.

My own style uses NLP, Ericksonian style stories, priming and exploitation of various heuristics and logical fallacies. Some may argue this is not hypnosis per se, but the effects are similar. It's ultimately about influencing thought and behavior... or in my case, getting paranoid, psychotic patients to take their meds...

[Alien4420]

Many years ago, before I had ever been in trance, a psychologist tried to put me in trance without telling me. I recognized what was happening, and shook it off.

That seems to me unscrupulous but the point is that for me, anyway, it didn't work. Perhaps a subtler approach would have, I don't know. Or if I hadn't caught on to what was happening.

But I agree with what someone said, if you have a serous objection to something you'll ignore the suggestion or pop out of trance. Some level of consent is necessary with straightforward suggestion. I understand that it is possible to bypass that by changing someone's beliefs, e.g., rather than ordering someone to kill their grandfather the hypnotist would convince them that if they don't kill their grandfather their grandfather will kill them. As far as I know no approach is completely effective, but I have been forced to do some things that I really didn't want, after listening to a file many times. I thought I could just ignore the objectionable suggestions but they nibble away at you and if you listen too often you can eventually be influenced.

Another thing I've noticed is that when I am forced to do something that I really don't want, I keep fighting it. Part of me says that it's better to just accept it and be done with the struggle but I don't know how to make that happen, as long as I think it can be undone I don't want to do that.

[ProfessorPig]

[Jeshi]