If people commented on files we could have better success. :o
hay we ARE downloading files files anyway so please leave a comment or two and we will create file that really work feedback is important I probably will not even get feedback about this post :o
I WILL BE SUPRISE IF I do 8O
no feedback no improvement's. you get them they were originally recorded
THATS THE WAY OF THE TIMES you ARE SHY AS A BABY AND YOU ARE still shy now. :o :oops:
if people commented on files we could have better success.
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by Tangy » June 7th, 2013, 11:55 pm
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comments in pm - ok
by boy_arthur_tx » June 8th, 2013, 2:20 am
Comments can help a new hypnotist to improve or maybe just provide encouragement to try again. PM is okay.
A '5' vote helps, a comment helps more.
A '1' vote without a comment - doesn't give a hypnotist the information about what was wrong: the voice, the pacing, the script, the idea itself?
the idea itself? Then why did you download the file?
The few people who take the time to enter comments either in forum, 'comments' for the file or pm helped me improve (a lot?).
The 'reverb' helped me to listen to my own files.
The ''reverb' didn't help others, was a distraction.
Too fast, slow it down. Okay, what files do i like? Slow down and imitate those who are already successful.
Thank you to each and every one who voted on my files.
A special thank you to those who hoped i could improve and help me do so by entering comments.
Tangy, hopefully, others will add comments for you.
i usually read the descriptions of all NEW files.
i sometimes post comments.
i don't have any 'Tangy' files in my playlist, right now.
The files you have don't match my current needs - admitted that i am VERY picky and sometimes weird.
p.s. Writing this at 3:19 am. Ever notice that the CHIRPING sound caused by an old battery in the smoke detector mostly starts between 1 and 4 in the morning?
A '5' vote helps, a comment helps more.
A '1' vote without a comment - doesn't give a hypnotist the information about what was wrong: the voice, the pacing, the script, the idea itself?
the idea itself? Then why did you download the file?
The few people who take the time to enter comments either in forum, 'comments' for the file or pm helped me improve (a lot?).
The 'reverb' helped me to listen to my own files.
The ''reverb' didn't help others, was a distraction.
Too fast, slow it down. Okay, what files do i like? Slow down and imitate those who are already successful.
Thank you to each and every one who voted on my files.
A special thank you to those who hoped i could improve and help me do so by entering comments.
Tangy, hopefully, others will add comments for you.
i usually read the descriptions of all NEW files.
i sometimes post comments.
i don't have any 'Tangy' files in my playlist, right now.
The files you have don't match my current needs - admitted that i am VERY picky and sometimes weird.
p.s. Writing this at 3:19 am. Ever notice that the CHIRPING sound caused by an old battery in the smoke detector mostly starts between 1 and 4 in the morning?
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Re: comments in pm - ok
by Tangy » June 8th, 2013, 10:37 am
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by lew897 » June 9th, 2013, 2:56 pm
Id comment more, but I really only listen to a few. Also, I really dont know what to comment on, the obvious or the very subtle things. In the end, I just deceided to make my own files with audacity since it allowed me to go with my intuition on what works for me. Maybe not everyone is like me, or where Im at in my hypno journey. So I partly assume alot of the veterns would be like, but thats the whole point of the file.
Also, it seems like the only way to get good at a file is to listen over and over to an extent, what would be the point of critical thinking if your susposed to listen over and over and it still didnt work out. The person then is discouraged and rage quits and says they cant be hypnotized. Or vice versa, they are very suggestable and say it was a blast and the best file they ever listened to.
I took classes in english, and the best part for me is the editing, so I defiantly understand the frustration if no one gives you feed back. But if you know what your worth, go out and get what your worth. In the end, its all about the people who stick with it than the ones who give up after a try or two. To be honest though, I wouldnt mind some files being the way Ive made some as it cuts down on the work load a ton.
Also, it seems like the only way to get good at a file is to listen over and over to an extent, what would be the point of critical thinking if your susposed to listen over and over and it still didnt work out. The person then is discouraged and rage quits and says they cant be hypnotized. Or vice versa, they are very suggestable and say it was a blast and the best file they ever listened to.
I took classes in english, and the best part for me is the editing, so I defiantly understand the frustration if no one gives you feed back. But if you know what your worth, go out and get what your worth. In the end, its all about the people who stick with it than the ones who give up after a try or two. To be honest though, I wouldnt mind some files being the way Ive made some as it cuts down on the work load a ton.
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by tallguy744 » June 10th, 2013, 5:07 am
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by slutinmyhead » June 30th, 2013, 1:25 am
Whether I post new recordings or remove old ones is often determined by feedback or lack thereof. Files that don't get enough, I take down. When I don't get feedback for a while, I decide to charge for recordings that had been free and usually pursue interests more related to my day job. I ditch the community for a while... However, when I do get feedback, especially when it's frequent, I post files more frequently and lower prices.
I expect I will eventually fade away completely, as more and more, I am living the life I could previously only express online... And I'm certainly not getting the reinforcement online to keep me interested.
I remember how much it once meant to me to find a like-minded community of hypnofetishists... I have met a handful of really cool people... However, I'm definitely not getting enough attention for the work I put in... It seems it's that way for most of us... A shame...
I expect I will eventually fade away completely, as more and more, I am living the life I could previously only express online... And I'm certainly not getting the reinforcement online to keep me interested.
I remember how much it once meant to me to find a like-minded community of hypnofetishists... I have met a handful of really cool people... However, I'm definitely not getting enough attention for the work I put in... It seems it's that way for most of us... A shame...
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by xavious » June 30th, 2013, 9:09 am
My problem is that the site has some formatting issues in the file and journal comment systems making commenting messy and difficult, so I prefer not to, at least not there. Also much of my response tends to be critique which I know that some people don't like, especially with many tists having dom attitudes that they dislike being challenged.
I actually had someone giving me the third degree because of comments I made over music players the other day so I've generally learned to keep my mouth shut a lot of these days.
As an example, here's what I told luggy about one of his files through email, though he never responded that I know of, so maybe he either didn't care for it or just never saw fit to respond.
[Edited for personal reasons.]
I actually had someone giving me the third degree because of comments I made over music players the other day so I've generally learned to keep my mouth shut a lot of these days.
As an example, here's what I told luggy about one of his files through email, though he never responded that I know of, so maybe he either didn't care for it or just never saw fit to respond.
[Edited for personal reasons.]
Last edited by xavious on June 30th, 2013, 3:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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by Alien4420 » June 30th, 2013, 9:53 am
Xavious,
Your comments seemed thorough and sensible, but my impression of your email was that it was a bit arrogant, as if you're a teacher grading a paper -- a teacher with superior knowledge giving pointers to a student. This may of course be the case, but I think you might get a more positive response if you wrote from the perspective of an appreciative user. Not that I'm good at this sort of thing myself, LOL.
Forex, you say "watch the sudden change in your tone at times." Good advice, presumably -- I don't know that file but I've had the same problem myself with others. But it's a command and it sounds like you're lecturing -- indeed, it's the opposite of your suggestion that Luggy "try to make the potential subject feel safe and in control, like you're suggesting, not demanding". Whereas when you wrote, "You saying 'push' louder actually shocked me out of the trance I was falling into" in the next sentence, I didn't get that impression.
I think framing this as personal experience might be more politic. And also framing it in a positive perspective, e.g., begging with "Loved your files and I've listened to blah blah with good results," and expressing things as possibilities ("I wonder if it would work better if you did this," or "it may only be me, but . . . "). E.g., when you say "Try to make the potential subject feel safe and in control, like you're suggesting, not demanding," that might work best for some people, but not for others, depending on their goals and their relationship to authority. So if you say "for me, anyway," it leaves open that possibility and lets the hypnotist gather info about what works best for most of his listeners or for a given type of file.
And when you say "try to speak as a suggesting force," it implies that the hypnotist may not be capable of doing this, whereas if you said "if you spoke as a suggesting force, it seems to me that it might . . . "
Of course, despite my efforts, I'm doing the same things you did, but I didn't say I'm good at this. :-)
Your comments seemed thorough and sensible, but my impression of your email was that it was a bit arrogant, as if you're a teacher grading a paper -- a teacher with superior knowledge giving pointers to a student. This may of course be the case, but I think you might get a more positive response if you wrote from the perspective of an appreciative user. Not that I'm good at this sort of thing myself, LOL.
Forex, you say "watch the sudden change in your tone at times." Good advice, presumably -- I don't know that file but I've had the same problem myself with others. But it's a command and it sounds like you're lecturing -- indeed, it's the opposite of your suggestion that Luggy "try to make the potential subject feel safe and in control, like you're suggesting, not demanding". Whereas when you wrote, "You saying 'push' louder actually shocked me out of the trance I was falling into" in the next sentence, I didn't get that impression.
I think framing this as personal experience might be more politic. And also framing it in a positive perspective, e.g., begging with "Loved your files and I've listened to blah blah with good results," and expressing things as possibilities ("I wonder if it would work better if you did this," or "it may only be me, but . . . "). E.g., when you say "Try to make the potential subject feel safe and in control, like you're suggesting, not demanding," that might work best for some people, but not for others, depending on their goals and their relationship to authority. So if you say "for me, anyway," it leaves open that possibility and lets the hypnotist gather info about what works best for most of his listeners or for a given type of file.
And when you say "try to speak as a suggesting force," it implies that the hypnotist may not be capable of doing this, whereas if you said "if you spoke as a suggesting force, it seems to me that it might . . . "
Of course, despite my efforts, I'm doing the same things you did, but I didn't say I'm good at this. :-)
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by tallguy744 » June 30th, 2013, 11:05 am
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by rgn » June 30th, 2013, 12:26 pm
Sometimes I think people make the process of leaving feedback more difficult that it actually needs to be. Yes, a critique of the hypnotist's style is great feedback. But a critique is not necessary. I try to focus my feedback on what I experienced. If I went into a great trance, then I state that. Did the suggestions take hold? Does not matter if I did not get into trance. My opinion is the hypnotist knows what they were trying to accomplish. If I focus my feedback on what I experienced, the hypnotist can determine the success of their file scripting and recording. Keep it simple. Leave feedback often.... don't let you favorite hypnotist(s) become disillusioned and leave.
Besides, I enjoy reading the feedback of others, especially if its a file I have been enjoying.
Besides, I enjoy reading the feedback of others, especially if its a file I have been enjoying.
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by xavious » June 30th, 2013, 12:26 pm
Alien4420: You critiquing my critique is the exact reason I prefer not to give it. Now imagine if it were the tist who responded like that, or worse. How can I guarantee that they won't respond badly to what I say? I can't. That's probably the ONLY time I ever offered critique to that degree, and I probably only did it because I was ill and not thinking straight (as I admitted).
Slutinmyhead may beg for feedback, but he doesn't realise that the very reason why most of us just give it a single sentence, at best, is because we don't want to be hated for what we say or the way that we say it.
sixfootstreet: Did my second paragraph not constitute praise? I stated what I liked, but if certain things threw me off as a whole, then that's likely to be reflected in the critique.
Maybe the reason why people aren't leaving comments is because they are perfectly happy and feel they have nothing of value to say, or they feel that offering critique for (mostly) free work feels unfair, or like me, they won't give the kind of feedback that someone wants to hear.
if you're adding rules to how people can comment then are you surprised why people are discouraged from doing so?
Slutinmyhead may beg for feedback, but he doesn't realise that the very reason why most of us just give it a single sentence, at best, is because we don't want to be hated for what we say or the way that we say it.
sixfootstreet: Did my second paragraph not constitute praise? I stated what I liked, but if certain things threw me off as a whole, then that's likely to be reflected in the critique.
Maybe the reason why people aren't leaving comments is because they are perfectly happy and feel they have nothing of value to say, or they feel that offering critique for (mostly) free work feels unfair, or like me, they won't give the kind of feedback that someone wants to hear.
if you're adding rules to how people can comment then are you surprised why people are discouraged from doing so?
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by Alien4420 » June 30th, 2013, 2:08 pm
Really, this hasn't been an issue for me, if for no other reason that I don't recall any inclination to leave negative comments. Not because I'm trying to protect anyone, but it just never crosses my mind to do so -- it's more like "Oh, that file kind of drags." So I'll usually leave comments for the files that have worked especially well. And even there, I haven't done so with the hypnotist in mind -- I never thought of it as a critique of or support for the hypnotist, but rather as a service for people who are considering downloading a file.
Really, before Slutinmyhead made his comments, I never had any idea how or whether the hypnotists were reacting to the comments at all.
Regarding my critique of your critique, I was just passing along my impression of your email. Not the substance of the critique, but the way it was phrased, which I thought might detract from its effectiveness. It's seriously hard, for me, anyway, to criticize someone without hurting their feelings, and I think that's probably true in general, judging by the dance most people do when they criticize me. But as with your criticism of the hypnotist, my intention here was to be helpful, if indeed I could, and pass on my suspicion that a hypnotist would hear that as a lecture.
Really, before Slutinmyhead made his comments, I never had any idea how or whether the hypnotists were reacting to the comments at all.
Regarding my critique of your critique, I was just passing along my impression of your email. Not the substance of the critique, but the way it was phrased, which I thought might detract from its effectiveness. It's seriously hard, for me, anyway, to criticize someone without hurting their feelings, and I think that's probably true in general, judging by the dance most people do when they criticize me. But as with your criticism of the hypnotist, my intention here was to be helpful, if indeed I could, and pass on my suspicion that a hypnotist would hear that as a lecture.
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Feedback promotes Growth
by Calimore » June 30th, 2013, 9:25 pm
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by Endo » July 1st, 2013, 9:41 am
As a 'tist without formal training, it's not that for me. Sure, I love putting stuff out there, but I want my stuff to be good, I want to improve, so I need feedback. Feedback is rare when you get <500 downloads per file in a year. So, it's hard to improve. A vicious little cycle, innit?
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by slutinmyhead » July 1st, 2013, 10:03 pm
Just to give some props... RGN, you are absolutely freaking fantastic at giving feedback and there have actually been times that your feedback alone lured me back into the fold...
It matters less what's in the feedback btw than just receiving the acknowledgement that someone - anyone - is listening. It usually takes me anywhere from 3-5 hours to write and edit a script, then about an hour to record and edit the recording. That's a lot of work for so little acknowledgement. Not to mention what I've invested in recording equipment. I'm using a very expensive professional microphone... A huge improvement from the built-in laptop mic I started with (which was still better than the text to speech I relied on before that)...
Although I do sell files, this is not something I do at all for the money. Initially, I charged just for the affirmation I was producing something worth something to someone b/c I sure wasn't getting the feedback. I still spend way more on recordings than I bring in... about $20-30/night. Thank god for day jobs... I'm also pretty generous when it comes to sharing free files, especially with those who provide regular feedback and whom I've come to consider friends, although I usually offer all my recordings free for a few weeks (longer when the feedback keeps coming in).
When I first started posting recordings, I was sharing what I made to get myself off. I was incredibly excited to discover this community of like minded freaks when I had always thought I was the only one turned on by hypnosis. I wanted to be able to share this passion with someone. I wanted to feel connected.
For me, craving feedback is still about craving connection. I'm not offended by feedback that critiques me. I have enough ego strength from my real life work (also psych, if you're curious) that I am not going to be shattered by it or angry, and it might even help me improve.
What I'm really interested in is how it made you feel, what turns you on, holds you back and who you are as a person. I just want to feel like I am sharing something with real people. It makes me even happier when I make a new friend.
I'm also hoping to inspire others out there. Please, steal my ideas. Learn my tricks. I have more than I know what to do with, really. I want more quality recordings with the themes that get me off. I enjoy being submissive as much, if not more, than dominating you. I've just done both for so long that I'm comfortable in either role...
All that said, I'm probably just as bad about leaving feedback as anyone else... It's something I always intend to do more of and perhaps will. I just added a link on my slutinmyhead.com site for reviews, be them of my recordings or anyone else's...
It matters less what's in the feedback btw than just receiving the acknowledgement that someone - anyone - is listening. It usually takes me anywhere from 3-5 hours to write and edit a script, then about an hour to record and edit the recording. That's a lot of work for so little acknowledgement. Not to mention what I've invested in recording equipment. I'm using a very expensive professional microphone... A huge improvement from the built-in laptop mic I started with (which was still better than the text to speech I relied on before that)...
Although I do sell files, this is not something I do at all for the money. Initially, I charged just for the affirmation I was producing something worth something to someone b/c I sure wasn't getting the feedback. I still spend way more on recordings than I bring in... about $20-30/night. Thank god for day jobs... I'm also pretty generous when it comes to sharing free files, especially with those who provide regular feedback and whom I've come to consider friends, although I usually offer all my recordings free for a few weeks (longer when the feedback keeps coming in).
When I first started posting recordings, I was sharing what I made to get myself off. I was incredibly excited to discover this community of like minded freaks when I had always thought I was the only one turned on by hypnosis. I wanted to be able to share this passion with someone. I wanted to feel connected.
For me, craving feedback is still about craving connection. I'm not offended by feedback that critiques me. I have enough ego strength from my real life work (also psych, if you're curious) that I am not going to be shattered by it or angry, and it might even help me improve.
What I'm really interested in is how it made you feel, what turns you on, holds you back and who you are as a person. I just want to feel like I am sharing something with real people. It makes me even happier when I make a new friend.
I'm also hoping to inspire others out there. Please, steal my ideas. Learn my tricks. I have more than I know what to do with, really. I want more quality recordings with the themes that get me off. I enjoy being submissive as much, if not more, than dominating you. I've just done both for so long that I'm comfortable in either role...
All that said, I'm probably just as bad about leaving feedback as anyone else... It's something I always intend to do more of and perhaps will. I just added a link on my slutinmyhead.com site for reviews, be them of my recordings or anyone else's...
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by xavious » July 2nd, 2013, 3:45 am
If you're really that disillusioned with the lack of feedback, which nobody was required in any way to provide by the way, or the fact that this isn't a lucrative field of work (unless you make it one), then do something about it. Either add in some kind of limit where people cannot download another file until they rate and/or comment on a previous one, and/or just charge for every file or only do in person/online hypnosis with an upfront charge.
If this stuff bothers you that much then those are solid steps to solve the problem. Blaming people after the fact for something they were never obliged to do in the first place won't solve anything.
Not trying to be nasty, just trying to sober people up to reality. Look at how many views this thread has in relation to its responses compared to other threads in this section. Not to mention how few people are even responding.
If you want people to act in a certain way, then make it a requirement for entry. It's not an easy thing to hear, but it's the truth.
I think what happens is (and I'm guilty of this myself) we become too idealistic and we forget that if you want something then you have to make it happen. Guilt-tripping people, especially those who actually care and/or are listening won't affect those who are probably contributing to the problem, unless you MAKE it affect them.
If this stuff bothers you that much then those are solid steps to solve the problem. Blaming people after the fact for something they were never obliged to do in the first place won't solve anything.
Not trying to be nasty, just trying to sober people up to reality. Look at how many views this thread has in relation to its responses compared to other threads in this section. Not to mention how few people are even responding.
If you want people to act in a certain way, then make it a requirement for entry. It's not an easy thing to hear, but it's the truth.
I think what happens is (and I'm guilty of this myself) we become too idealistic and we forget that if you want something then you have to make it happen. Guilt-tripping people, especially those who actually care and/or are listening won't affect those who are probably contributing to the problem, unless you MAKE it affect them.
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comments and votes
by boy_arthur_tx » July 2nd, 2013, 5:19 am
I am almost giddy with excitement when receiving a 5 vote on a file.
I accept as normal a 3 vote.
I wish every vote of 1 also had a comment so I would know what went wrong.
That said, I sometimes think votes (and downloads) and comments indicate the subject of the file was on target. Lack of comments indicate script, voice and the ET CETERA was less than on target.
After all, they wouldn't download files that weren't ON TARGET for their needs? If the file was on target for topic/needs and adequate probably no vote and no comment. If the file was above or below expectations then you get votes or comments.
Try to accept that no votes and no comments means the file was on target for the description/needs and at average on quality overall.
Folks are not shy. They will let you know when you are off target.
(at least by voting a 1)
For instance - I posted a comment about how good a file was because it BUSTED my chastity training getting me totally erect. I chose not to mention how UPSET I was because I equate CHASTITY with not being physically aroused. The file (to me) incorrectly said CHASTITY INCLUDED. What was included was Orgasm Control or some such.
I guess, I sort of WIMPED OUT on the comment honesty. I did comment on how effective the TARGET of the file was achieved. It is just for me it was the wrong TARGET.
As previously mentioned in the thread there will always be a huge difference between number of downloads and number of comments.
That seems to be okay - it is the quality of the comments that can lead to improvements not the quantity.
I accept as normal a 3 vote.
I wish every vote of 1 also had a comment so I would know what went wrong.
That said, I sometimes think votes (and downloads) and comments indicate the subject of the file was on target. Lack of comments indicate script, voice and the ET CETERA was less than on target.
After all, they wouldn't download files that weren't ON TARGET for their needs? If the file was on target for topic/needs and adequate probably no vote and no comment. If the file was above or below expectations then you get votes or comments.
Try to accept that no votes and no comments means the file was on target for the description/needs and at average on quality overall.
Folks are not shy. They will let you know when you are off target.
(at least by voting a 1)
For instance - I posted a comment about how good a file was because it BUSTED my chastity training getting me totally erect. I chose not to mention how UPSET I was because I equate CHASTITY with not being physically aroused. The file (to me) incorrectly said CHASTITY INCLUDED. What was included was Orgasm Control or some such.
I guess, I sort of WIMPED OUT on the comment honesty. I did comment on how effective the TARGET of the file was achieved. It is just for me it was the wrong TARGET.
As previously mentioned in the thread there will always be a huge difference between number of downloads and number of comments.
That seems to be okay - it is the quality of the comments that can lead to improvements not the quantity.
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by Alien4420 » July 2nd, 2013, 7:17 am
Xavious,
I'm not sure how this went so wrong, but I'm sorry it did. This is the danger of any critique, whether of a hypnotist's file, or of a critique of a critique! We're naturally stung by criticism, even if it's positively intended, which is why those who are best at it (and as I keep pointing out, I'm not one of them) are so careful to wrap it in positives -- and why most people don't give it at all, or even tell white lies ("What a beautiful tie, dear!").
I've been stung by criticism myself often enough to know that I'm no exception to the rule. However, I've found it extremely useful when I can get past my ego defenses and apply it. And I've definitely found that there are things that people do that makes the criticism palatable and things they do that makes it upsetting.
I'm not sure how this went so wrong, but I'm sorry it did. This is the danger of any critique, whether of a hypnotist's file, or of a critique of a critique! We're naturally stung by criticism, even if it's positively intended, which is why those who are best at it (and as I keep pointing out, I'm not one of them) are so careful to wrap it in positives -- and why most people don't give it at all, or even tell white lies ("What a beautiful tie, dear!").
I've been stung by criticism myself often enough to know that I'm no exception to the rule. However, I've found it extremely useful when I can get past my ego defenses and apply it. And I've definitely found that there are things that people do that makes the criticism palatable and things they do that makes it upsetting.
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