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Are there any scripts that illicit biological changes?

Posted:
March 13th, 2011, 7:27 pm
by somprs
If so, do they work? If not, is it even possible?

Posted:
March 15th, 2011, 10:15 pm
by Jeshi

Posted:
March 15th, 2011, 10:42 pm
by somprs
As obvious as that is, I object to the idea that such principle prevents the notion of using hypnosis to coax biological changes. If you suggest to someone that they're happy, and they feel it, it's because their brain releases serotonin - A stimulus turns into nerve impulses, which stimulate a gland, which produces serotonin, which generates a feeling of happiness. With that in mind, couldn't one use hypnosis to cause biological changes via hormone secretion as a result of hypnotic stimuli stimulating the appropriate gland(s)? Such an idea can be dangerous, but so can Hypnosis itself.

Posted:
March 16th, 2011, 1:08 am
by JadynMC
Its whatever you believe is possible... and if you stick to it. Yes somethings are a little outrageous. But you try listening to pubichairloss for two weeks and then you can know yourself whether or not hypnosis can create a biological change.
~Jadyn

Posted:
March 16th, 2011, 1:17 am
by somprs

Posted:
March 16th, 2011, 10:49 pm
by Jeshi

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March 16th, 2011, 11:25 pm
by somprs
Two questions. One, if you use hypnosis to create extreme stress, couldn't that make your brain produce cortisol, and thus bring harm to the body (in the form of, shall we say, hypertension: a legitimate biological response)?
Also, in order to generate new proteins, the human body must generate, for the lack of a better term, trial proteins (but, for the purposes of this discussion, the viability of hormone creation should be discussed later). But working with what's already there, why precisely can't hypnosis (regardless of who makes use if it; the individual or the hypnotist) illicit the production of, shall we say, testosterone, when hypnosis and psychological stimuli can encourage certain glands to secrete certain hormones?
If included in your response, please consider the effects of the hormones mentioned. However, at least try to pinpoint where precisely the barrier is (i.e. there's no guarantee that a nerve connects to a desired cell, nor that a another, opposing gland would remain dormant when the target hormone is produced). I personally doubt that the issue remains in the mind, when a happy stimulus alone is driven by a biological process.

Posted:
March 17th, 2011, 9:43 am
by juniper
The mind controls the body. Whether you consider it a placebo affect, or whatever you term it, it's worth a try. I remember a friend talking about how they were sun sensitive, and someone hypnotized them involving a beach scene. Within a couple of hours of the trance, they had a very real, physical sunburn. Whatever you are interested in trying as far as trance that could affect you biologically, look at what it says it can do, and decide from there whether it's worth a try. If it's something you would like, give it a try, and see what happens. Remember to have an open mind, and you never know what you'll get.
Peace.

Posted:
March 17th, 2011, 1:46 pm
by somprs

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March 17th, 2011, 2:03 pm
by Enargo

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March 17th, 2011, 8:18 pm
by FloridaPuppy
"Biological changes" is a biit too vague. If a hypnotist makes you wet your pants, the bilogical change of emptying your bladder has occurred. As a general rule of thumb, if you could not do it naturally, hypnosis cant do it either. Hypnosis wont grow breasts or muscles, just make you believe they are growing or want to do things to accomplish that.

Posted:
March 17th, 2011, 10:49 pm
by somprs

Posted:
March 18th, 2011, 1:49 am
by radar
Just to throw my 2 cents in.
There have been stories that I have read - and I understand they are true - That there have been cases where women (and on rare occasions men) who have had breast growth and lactation when exposed to young children of breast feeding age (0-5). The cases found mostly within childcare workers. Also if the stories of women in office environments who synchronize their periods are true - I would suggest that the mind can cause biological changes through the subconscious cues. If hypnosis can tap into the subconscious mind and cause alterations within that mind, it should be able to cause similar changes.
**Jo-Anne**

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March 18th, 2011, 6:12 am
by oraprog
And that hits the key point - it must be something your body can do and then you have to trigger your mind to do it. Simply telling your mind to accomplish the result doesn't do anything. Saying "your body hair will fall out" is about as likely to be accomplished as saying "get a sunburn". Neither will happen by focusing on the result.
You can get a "sunburn" through hypnosis not because your mind was tricked into believing that you got a burn, but because your mind was tricked into believing that you were in the conditions to get a real sunburn and it reacted by changing whatever in reaction to the assumption of getting a sunburn. Now I'm not a doctor nor an expert on what happens - but what I think happens is that the blood vessels expand to increase blood flow, nerves become more sensitive (because of the increased blood flow) and the area turns red (because of the increased blood flow). But it's important to note that there is no actual skin damage, it isn't a real sunburn. All you've done is caused the body to react to belief of the sun.
To extend this to estrogen - a male body produces some estrogen. The amount produced is influenced by age, weight, alcohol and drug use and probably one or two other things. But it isn't a controlled thing, it's a reaction. And even then, it would be difficult to get the body to react strongly enough to produce enough estrogen on an ongoing basis to cause changes. Merely saying "produce more estrogen" is highly unlikely to work unless the subject happens to chemically know how estrogen is produced and can fill in the gaps themselves. You'd have about as much luck convincing your body to be lighter than air and flying around the room...which BTW, you should only attempt at ground level.

Posted:
March 18th, 2011, 7:56 am
by bobjoe11
My two cents;
Hypnosis can allow you to do some pretty awesome things. The sunburn story above is one really interesting example about how you can change your body (whether or not that was the intended effect). It can make someone tense their body to the point where they are extremely rigid. It can increase one's focus.
So, the question at stake is whether or not hypnosis can induce a biological change. You can make someone move their arm through hypnosis. Whether or not anyone here is willing to admit it, there is a *huge* number of biological changes taking place when a person tenses a muscle. I know that a bunch of people are going to argue that that's something we can all do while waking, but heck, you can make someone horny through hypnosis (and arousal is not usually a conscious choice).
So if hypnosis can induce biological changes of that nature, why can't it induce other biological changes? I argue that anything that is *reasonably* possible physically is possible through hypnosis. Talking about growing muscle; your body knows how to do that. All you need to do is tell it to start it up again. Your body knows how to build things, degrade things, alter hormone levels, etc. etc.
Now, am I saying you're going to grow wings? No. Your body has *no* clue how to construct a wing. Can you change your hair color? No. Your body knows how to make hair the current color it is and white. If you are a good enough trancer, you could probably slow down or reverse the aging process, but we're talking you looking younger in terms of years, not decades.
Again, it's all about belief. Do you think you can do it? If so, and you want it to happen, don't give up after one trance session if it doesn't work. At the same time, don't destroy yourself trying to make it work.

Posted:
March 18th, 2011, 7:05 pm
by oraprog
cause and effect

Posted:
March 19th, 2011, 5:46 am
by HypnoZorro
I have seen the after effect pictures of a subject told that a pencil eraser is a candle / cigarette lighter , and there is a burn mark later . So there can be cause and effect . For change to occur , there has to be a why , how , benefits and resources .
Re: cause and effect

Posted:
March 23rd, 2011, 7:48 pm
by oraprog
Re: cause and effect

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March 24th, 2011, 2:14 pm
by bandler