Theories about god

[gurlbidesign]

In the face of logic and science faith comes to the rescue.

[Primus]

but with 2 against 1 odds faith's chances are quickly diminishing in todays society

[ubermullet]

[SubmissMe]

[SubmissMe]

the bloke above me ubermullet wrote:

Acctually, science is continueing to prove the bible right and help prove God exists.
They've found evidence of the great flood, and Eden. And I said, everyone comes from one Mother.

And if you actually sit and read the whole bible and understand its teachings, you'll see the logic behind it.


Sorry, but thats untrue as well. In fact the view eliminitive materialism suggests that as science progresses we get rid of the metaphysical and are left with a more sensible materialist view.
For example, a few hundred years back we all belived in whichcraft then science advanced and proved us wrong. The same is of God and other metaphysical talk such as angels and souls.

I suggest looking at the works of David Hume, Ludwig Von Wittgenstein and in particular Sir Alfred Julius Ayer. They talk of the verification principle, which states that a statement is only meaningful if it is analytically correct or empirically verifiable.

The sentence "All dogs are canine" makes sense, as a dog by definition is a canine. Even a sentence such as "Behind me is a pink elephant" makes sense as I could look behind me and VERIFY this, even if it's wrong.

Talk of God is not intelligable, as we can never verify God's existence. It is nonsense to speak of God as nobody has any idea of who or what a God is.
As Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people"

How does everyone react to the verification principle then?

[gurlbidesign]

ok, my last post in this particular discussion. To those who "have faith" and believe regardless of evidence to the contrary....more power to you. I promise not to giggle if you promise not to preach.

[Mallic]

[SubmissMe]

[Mallic]

No, this was the rising of the mediterantian (sic), not god

[SubmissMe]

To be honest I can't see why people strongly believe in God. I have my doubts, I just hope im very wrong.

[Ceot]

If their god exists.
May he strike me down now.
For I am a very inconveniant soul.

[Ceot]

Waits......

[Mallic]

No ceot, you can't do it like that! Of couse, they would claim that god does not care about you petty attempts to make yourself more important than god.... or some shit like that. The reason that sucide will put you in hell, apparently, is because the life you are living is not your own, it is gods. P)ardon me, but if you are going to make us live though about 80 years of shit after shit, come on, give us a exit button

[SubmissMe]

[SubmissMe]

Waits..........

[Ceot]

Looks up and laughs......

[SubmissMe]

[Jack]

[SubmissMe]

[Primus]

On the rock thing of course he cannot create a rock that he can't lift because that would prove the fundimentals wrong. Of course if he can't create the rock he is wrong there too... the best thing to do is not nit pick someone who can create a such a rock and just let it go... of course since I don't belive in this christian god anymore than some others I don't see the need to fear said rock either way so meh

[Jack]

[Mallic]

Lots of conflicts, yes.... Does this mean that there isn't a god, or does it mean there is a differant god?

[JKnaugh13]

Why do you keep calling it the 'christian god'. The Christian God is the same as the Jewish God and the Muslim God.

[Mallic]

Ok, I issue a challange to all believers in christ .... Go though this quizz without dying....

[url]http://www.philosophersnet.com/games/god.htm[/url]

[Primus]

Maybe some us aren't Christian, Jewish, or Muslim and have a completly different god... in fact I am quite sure that my invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend

[Jack]

[Jack]

[Jack]

[JKnaugh13]

[Mallic]

Fine, I'll remove the 'and that shit'

[SubmissMe]

Firstly, there are different types of God and what they can supposedly do. Here everyone is concentrating on the Christian god, more commonly known as the god of classical theism.

Secondly, the whole squared cirle arguement is as old as they get. Believers in God will argue that yes, god can create a square circle but it would be in a way that we as humans cannot comprehend.

Whilst I don't personally condone disproving god by referring the almighty in the same context as "all that shit". I would've thought by now the conversation had moved on to thoughts about Ayer, Wittgenstein, Moritz Schlick and the logical postivists. At the moment we're still stuck on Aquinas and Descartes viewpoints.

[Mallic]

This quote sums up my thoughts about this debate about death.......

"We look at death from the selfish side, like: "That guy died. Oh, it's so sad." Why is it sad? He's away from all of this bad stuff that's here on Earth. I mean, at the worst, he's just somewhere quiet, no nothing. At best, he's an angel... or he's a spirit somewhere. What is so bad about that? " ~Tupac Shakur

[Primus]

My thoughts on death are slightly different

"Live is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's difficult" ~ Isaac Asimov

Matrix I know I misspelled that >.<

[SubmissMe]

Glad that's all cleared up then.

[Mallic]

Thats what I'm confused about.... Why will people not want to go though 1 minute of pain for a eternity of happiness?

[Primus]

Some us aren't destined for that eternity of hapiness

"I'd rather die with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners have much more fun, only the good die young" ~ Billy Joel

[SubmissMe]

What do you mean 1 minute of pain for eternal happiness?

[Mallic]

Drowning, electorcution, ect, ect you get the idea....

[SubmissMe]

But we can never KNOW that we will have eternal happiness. In fact it seems much more likely that when we're dead, that's the end. There is no more.

[Mallic]

In what does it seem more likely? Near Death Experiences are common

[Primus]

This is the end... my only friend the end.
He who dies with the most toys is none the less still dead.
Death: To stop sinning suddenly.
This is an ex-parrot

[Mallic]

lol.....parrot

[Primus]

Monty Python's Flying Circus ^.^

[Mallic]

Yeah, I know....

Go to [url]http://bulldotshit.com[/url] to find a videoclip of the classics, such as:
Dead Parrot
Spam
Every Sperm
Hungarian Phrasebook
Ministry of Silly Walks
Lumberjack Song

[Primus]

Why? I actually bought the whole flying circus on DVD, I also have Holy Grail, Life of Brian, Meaning of Life, And Now for Something Completly Different

[Mallic]

Damn you, I only have the movies.... I am going to get shows in the future

[SubmissMe]

[aeroue]

Just because we cannot speak of it does not mean it does not exist.

[Mallic]

But what is the point of talking of it if we cannot talk of it? BTW, is the rest of this tread going to be filled with semi-rhetorical questions?

[futile_mind]

The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "existance is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have happened by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't.
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.