Newbie's Guide - Analytical Minds

[DKaiser]

[mystic-wolf]

I think this is the issue i've had with hypnosis, since i analyze a lot of stuff and get lost in my thoughts easily, even in relaxation my thoughts drifted randomly not necessarily based on the suggestions.

[DKaiser]

Well, there's a difference between random thoughts and analyzing. Analyzing is where your mind immediately goes "no, that suggestion can't be real, because I know reality doesn't work that way". It's a sense of even when a suggestion sticks, it'll fade quickly, or something will break your focus and it'll undo.

Random thoughts are more a matter of concentrating the mind before the session. Spend 5-10 minutes before you trance thinking about what you're going to trance to, getting your mind focused on that sort of imagery and thought line, and then even if you start getting sleepish in trance, your random thoughts will drift towards the subject matter at hand, keeping things going smoothly. Pictures of the subject matter to look at while doing so are good too.

[Foxfuz]

I have had trouble having suggestions work because of constant failure and having an analytical mind. What I did to make files work and make sure that random thoughts and analysis to stop was to promise myself to think about the file after it is done. So if I were to think of something during the file I would remember to leave the thought for after I'm dome trancing.

A parallel to this is when a speaker tells the audience to hold all questions until the end of the show. Same concept.

[mystic-wolf]

Some days i'm able to focus other times not, lately i've been having a weird feeling that makes me a lot more impatient, i've sadly mostly given up on hypnosis, even though i was getting a bit succesfull with the cow anthro file, i only felt things but never got illussions even when my thoughts drifted to different images of cow anthros, i know that it takes months, but transformation files have been the only ones i've been interested in, so i'm mostly looping files while playing games, watching videos or other things on the computer/laptop, i think thats my best gamble to do hypnosis

Maybe i should buy something like an MP3 and download files on them so i can loop them while sleeping.

[HornyDude]

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[lew897]

Wow thanks for that explaination. I was trying to figure out what two files were doing to me since they made it a million times easier to trance to files. Usually, Id just say it was the files, but I think that acceptance is defiantly part of what it is doing. Thanks!

[papotik]

Since i started to listen your files, i become more passive, like let see what happen. But it seem as i analyze less i fall asleep, is it possible , or i go just deeper in trance with amnesia ?

[Alien4420]

[Jadit]

[skinny028]

Have a similar issue but its not so much with the suggestions as it is with the actual trance. I've done a considerable of hypnosis over the years as the hypnotist. Never really had much success as a subject. Recently decided to give the subject side another try. Have tried a few MP3s, some vids and some text based trances over yahoo. I keep running into a problem that I can't seem to work around. I can't seem to stop my mind from anticipating what is coming next. Since I have experience on the 'tist side of things I find myself constantly anyalizing their techniques and find myself predicting what's coming. All to often my mind goes to the thought "I wouldn't do it this way" or "I know this deepener" and such. Seems to prevent me from letting go. Even subtle or sneak attempts in chat don't work as I can pick up instantly on them as I have done them in the past. Is there anyway go stop or help with this issue? Any particular file that deals with it? And on the rare occasion I feel like I was able to slip into a light trance, I try to listen to the file again and again to amplify the effects however I find myself bored with it as I know everything that's coming and I just can't get through it without being so bored it irrates me. Any help would be appreciated

[Marian]

This is no oneway - it can make it impossible but it can help too.

I feel the same ... I analyse any file, his structure and the tricks while listening even in trance. It feels like sleeping and doing math at the same time (maybe it is with english files stronger because I am not a native speaker and must translate in the background). Sometimes I must giggle in trance about the ridicules stuff I hear. Then nothing happens - this is the effect of the most files, at least in 99.9%: Some nice restful relaxation, kind of power napping but no effect at all.

But if the file seem to do exactly what my conscious mind wishes anyway then the conscious mind helps the hypnosis to go straight into the subconscious, it opens all sluices without any resistance - then it is amazing powerful. The art of good hypnosis is to hit the "seem" in the "to do exactly".

The point is that the subconscious influences the conscious of course so a good tist can, if he brake it once, create a circle, a positive feedback. With this feedback hypnosis can do a lot.

[re45]

It's like insomnia basically. You know, you're trying to go to sleep and you keep thinking about going to sleep and rousing yourself in that way, so then the sun rises, and it's morning, but you still haven't made it to sleep The only way to counter the entire phenomena (of insomnia, and hypnotic suggestion) is by practicing a sort of secondary dissociation. It's not about going to sleep, or in the case of hypnosis, not thinking those thoughts. It's about having them, and then letting them pass unremarked. Treat them as completely unimportant, and they will become completely unimportant.

I discovered this when I got into meditation five years ago. The key to any kind of thought's power over you is the power you give it. If you treat the pattern of analysis-in-hypnosis as as unimportant as noticing a minor environmental detail, eventually it will be reduced to that volume, and then lost entirely as long as you don't provoke it with acknowledgement.

[Alien4420]

That's an interesting perspective, and one I'll have to play with myself.

For me, the worst analytical thoughts are the ones that start to attack the suggestions or the file. For example, if the hypnotist makes a claim that I don't believe to be true, and I think "that isn't really true," it reduces the effect of the file. Whereas if my conscious mind is quiescent in a deeper trance, or just not in a mood to second guess suggestions because I very much want to believe in them, that doesn't occur -- not during trance, anyway. Sometimes too, if I very much want to believe something, my conscious mind will create rationalizations in an attempt to make the suggestion work. But I have a very strong tendency towards intellectual honesty, so the rationalizations have to be grounded in understanding.

[CyrilMtl]

I hav a hard time going into trance,
my mind is to much analytical I think, always thinking on lots of stuff,
going from one idea to the other quickly, analyzing all the words use in the file,
every little background sound ...
I am not relaxing very well, I got the feeling of relaxing a little, less feelings of my bed under me... but still I can understand all the word said, never gone out
at the count of 5 to 1 and waken at the end of the file ;(

I try some virtual plugs file (temporary until the end of the day) and it create
some 'reaction'. Not any feeling of a real plug going into me, but some surprising pleasure wave going from the lower end of my backbone to my end, like one you are very close on the edge. Weird, it make me moan now and then all the evening.

How can I experience a deeper trance ?
I want to play with some trigger file but guess I am not going out deep enough for them to work.

[Alien4420]

The good news is that since you're experiencing those sensations you're clearly going into a trance, just not a deep one. And you don't need a deep trance for a trigger to work, or for that matter most of the things these files do. Deep trances are necessary for hallucination. You could start by listening to Bubble Induction for a while. As you gain more experience with the deep trances that that file induces and how to get there you'll find that you can transfer the trancing skill to other files.

[CyrilMtl]

Bubble induction ? the Lutz file ?rnI am kind of afraid of it, it seems very strong, and there is a trigger in it I think, don't like trying stuff with mystery trigger in it when I don't know what it will make me do.rn

[Endo]

Bubble's pretty chill, honestly. The trigger's just to take you back down to a suggestible state quickly. It's not going to do anything that's not specified in the description.

[Alien4420]

What Endo said. There's no hidden payload. It just puts you in a deep trance and gives you a trigger that will take you there. Of course that would give someone who knows the trigger power over you. Probably not a problem but if you're concerned you could edit the file in Audacity to remove the trigger and just listen to it as a straightforward induction. It's really a lesson in how to go into deep trance and as you become proficient at it you'll find that you can transfer your ability to go into deep trance to other files. At some point, you'll likely find you don't even need inductions anymore, you'll just pop into trance when you want to.

[CyrilMtl]

I think I will try that
Can i insert later my own trigger instead of Lutz's one ? My voice will not disturbs the flow of the file ?

Can you train yourself to pop under directly and listen at file without induction ? That seems interesting. How do you wake up if there is no wake up part at the end ? Don't want to be a drooling zombie in my bedroom :)

C.

[hypotoad]

ooo thats one im qualified to answer

if there is no awaken-er you will either go to sleep or your mind will eventually get bored from receiving no new information and snap you out on its own. from what ive read falling asleep is fairly uncommon


in my personal experience after a few minutes of receiving no input my mind will lightly wake up and start questioning whether the file is over or not. If it concludes the file is over I then make the personal decision to push the fact that its over out of my mind just lay in absolute relaxation for a while or i will wake myself up.